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Hillary Delivers Masterful Speech–Tweaks McCain, Lifts Up Obama

By The Seminal
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I guess I’ve been watching too much Chris Matthews recently.  I never really believed that there was any question about the substance of what Hillary would say, but hearing the talking heads blather about an imagined soap opera drama probably got to me a little.  Lowered expectations can be a good thing–not that Hillary needed any help tonight.  I personally preferred Obama as a candidate, but she managed to (a) remind everyone of her enormous strengths while (b) neatly tying George W. Bush around McCain’s neck like an albatross and (c) not taking anything away from Obama and firing everyone up to win this election.

When I could tell Hillary was getting to the end, I actually felt badly–I wanted more.  She had some great lines, delivering an attack with genuine humor–noting that it’s fitting for Bush and McCain to be in the Twin Cities next week as, these days, you can’t tell the difference between the two of them.  She reminded us, with resounding rhetoric, of what the Democratic party stands for–the middle class, people left out of the corridors of power, what she calls the “invisible people” ignored by the Bush administration.  She emphasized the need for universal health care, noting that McCain does not see a crisis when 47 million Americans are uninsured, just as he fails to see the larger economic crisis we face.  She spoke of the need to end the war in Iraq and repair America’s alliances so that we can focus on problems the whole world faces, like terrorism and global warming.  She deftly connected the movement for womens’ rights with the fight for racial justice by invoking Harriet Tubman’s exhortation to never give up.

For a moment, I felt badly that we can’t see both Obama and Clinton on the ticket.  I thought of my 65 year old mother, who has, I’m sure, experienced real pain as she watched her hope for the first woman president disappear, this time.  But, for me at least, and, it seemed, the delegates in Denver, Hillary kept the focus on Obama.  She energized the faithful and uttered not a word that even hinted at discord.

So, the talking heads can keep gossiping, but Hillary showed how ridiculous their chatter is.  Hillary’s speech was as perfect as Michelle Obama’s, who she graciously praised as well.  I can’t think how Hillary could have done better.  As I mentioned, when she started wrapping up, I found myself actually wanting more, hoping she wouldn’t stop, though knowing she would.  Well done.

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bakashah!

I'll be FRist! to jump on the "job well done" bandwagon.

I like how she basically told her supporters to buck the fuck up and get behind Barack.
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"We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace."
"Power to the peaceful..." --Franti

By SJerseyIndyAugust 26, 2008 - 11:20pm

One class act

What can one say, that was the Hillary that i voted for. Her speech will help bring party unity. For we do have one thing in common , no more neocons. And Hillary's speech should leave no doubt , on who she will be voting for. And Kucinich speech about wake up America was great, and helped me answer a question , about what bush meant , when he thought no one was listening , Bush said that wall street got caught drunk. Kucinich in his speech said wake up america the speculators took over wall street.So wake up america!

By getmad54August 26, 2008 - 11:24pm

Whatevr your personal opinion of Hillary...

When she's good, she's the best. Now if Willie can top her tomorrow nite, that will really be something. Someone at this convention needs to just poke Crash and let the air out.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

By LiberalIconoclastAugust 27, 2008 - 2:40am

McCain's House Problems Continues....

Cindy McCain: " John" ?, why did you leave the toilet seat up again" ?

John McCain: " I was in a prison camp 5 years. We didn't have a toilet. Get the hell off my back woman " !

By Buffy Duped GopAugust 26, 2008 - 11:31pm

No, you misquoted

John McCain: " I was in a prison camp 5 years. We didn't have a toilet. Get the hell off my back you f-ing c--t!!! "!

By blogbobAugust 27, 2008 - 1:01am

Cancer cluster confirmed near Pa. Superfund sites - off topic

Cancer cluster confirmed near Pa. Superfund sites
USA Today
26 August 2008

HAZLETON, Pa. (AP) — Nearly a year after federal epidemiologists first sounded the alarm over a cluster of rare blood cancers in northeastern Pennsylvania, their research has zeroed in on a hardscrabble region 80 miles northwest of Philadelphia that is home to several Superfund sites and a power plant fired by waste coal.

The U.S. Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry said Monday that it confirmed an elevated number of cases of polycythemia vera, or PV, in a 20-mile stretch between Hazleton and Tamaqua.

It remains the first and only cluster of PV ever recorded in the United States, though the condition became reportable to state cancer registries only in 2001, and officials said it's statistically likely there are others.

Residents in the affected area were four times as likely to suffer from PV as residents living in outlying areas, according to the government.

...

Some residents blame their illnesses on a recycler that accepted hundreds of thousands of gallons of paint sludge, waste oils, used solvents, PCBs, cyanide, pesticides and many other known or suspected carcinogens.

Environmental officials shut down the site in 1979, and it was later placed on the federal Superfund list and cleaned up. Other Superfund sites dot the area, too, along with a power plant that burns waste coal that some residents also suspect has caused health problems.

...

Researchers said they found that Pennsylvania does not accurately report the number of PV cases statewide. That's because the criteria for diagnosing the illness have changed and because PV is reported only by hospitals.

Seaman said inaccurate PV reporting is also likely a problem in other states.

...

By f u bush2August 27, 2008 - 12:23am

HILLARY HIT THE GRAND SLAM FOR OBAMA

The MSM has tried to divided the Democratic Party so they wouldn't have to go after John McCain the Maverick that said a tax cut was the worst ideal when we was in a war...Now he will do anything and say anything a tax cut when there is two conflicts is an individual that would say anything to be a President.

By army193August 27, 2008 - 12:21am

Comment on housing - off topic

It is being reported that home sales have increased recently. The reason for this is not a better housing market for sellers. No. The reason is that banks have been unloading houses for cheap after foreclosures.

By f u bush2August 27, 2008 - 12:22am

Housing prices drop 16%

Private housing index shows home prices tumbling by record amount nationwide in June
By Associated Press
9:28 AM CDT, August 26, 2008

NEW YORK (AP) _ A widely watched index released Tuesday showed home prices dropping by the sharpest rate ever in the second quarter, but the data for June suggest the severity of the housing slump may be waning.

The Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller U.S. National Home Price Index tumbled a record 15.4 percent during the quarter from the same period a year ago.

The monthly indices also clocked in record declines. The 20-city index fell by 15.9 percent in June compared with a year ago, the largest drop since its inception in 2000. The 10-city index plunged 17 percent, its biggest decline in its 21-year history.

However, the rate of single-family home price declines slowed from May to June, a possible silver lining, the index creators said.

...

By f u bush2August 27, 2008 - 1:05am

Time for a Reality Check

Time to open the door of the dark, dank, stale, and fetid interior of the leftist echo chamber and let in the fresh air of reality:

High Anxiety in the Mile-High City

By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: August 26, 2008

Excerpt:

...But this Democratic convention has a vibe so weird and jittery, so at odds with the early thrilling, fairy dust feel of the Obama revolution, that I had to consult with Mike Murphy, the peppery Republican strategist and former McCain guru.

“What is that feeling in the air?” I asked him.

“Submerged hate,” he promptly replied.

Ah, yes, now I recognize that sulfurous aroma.

There were a lot of bitter Clinton associates, fund-raisers and supporters wandering the halls, spewing vindictiveness, complaining of slights, scheming about Hillary’s roll call and plotting trouble, with some in the Clinton coterie dissing Obama by planning early departures, before the nominee even speaks.

At a press conference with New York reporters on Monday, Hillary looked as if she was straining at the bit to announce her 2012 exploratory committee.

“Remember, 18 million people voted for me, 18 million people, give or take, voted for Barack,” she said, making a faux pro-Obama point. She keeps acting like her delegates are out of her control, when she’s been privately egging people on to keep her dream alive as long as possible and no matter what the cost to Obama.

Hillary also said she was happy about the choice of Joe Biden because he added “intensity” to the ticket. Ouch.

Ed Rendell, the governor of Pennsylvania who is planning to vote for Hillary in the roll call, compared Obama to the passive-aggressive egghead Adlai Stevenson and told The Washington Post that Obama gives six-minute answers and “is not exactly the easiest guy in the world to identify with.”

I’ve never actually seen a convention where the energy was so absorbed by people who had lost the nomination, rather than the one who had won....

...At a meeting of the Democratic women’s caucus Tuesday, 74-year-old Carol Anderson of Vancouver, Wash., a former Hillary volunteer, stood in the back of the room in a Hillary T-shirt and hat signed by Hillary and “Nobama” button and booed every time any of the women speakers mentioned Obama’s name.

She’s voting for McCain and thinks the Democrats put up a minority to stop another minority so that the boy’s club would not be breached. She had nothing nice to say about the Obamas...

...“We’re seeing a train wreck all over again,” said one top Democrat. “I’m telling you, man, it’s something about our party, the shtetl mentality.”

Conclusion: Gee, maybe hufflarry2000's not as much of a loon as we thought he was.

By SheddAugust 27, 2008 - 12:30am

I love the smell of desperation

coming from the right.

By f u bush2August 27, 2008 - 12:46am

No shit

Did you hear Buchanan throwing his tantrum about how anyting but Hillary for Veep spells disaster? Methinks the old Nazi doth protest too much...

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

By LiberalIconoclastAugust 27, 2008 - 2:35am

I wonder

how much of the "resentment" in the Hillary camp is nothing more than bs whipped up by the right among operation chaos infiltrators.

After her speech last night those who legitimately supported her are going to get real and support Obama. The 2-3% who were only there to rile the dems up will always keep doing so. The repubs and the msm need the disunity or one has no chance and the other has no income.

By gt6August 27, 2008 - 7:02am

Shedd

Since you love Chimpy Bush and his clone McSame so much, you should go down to the local recruiter and volunteer to support their war.

http://www.goarmy.com
http://www.airforce.com
http://www.navy.com
http://www.marines.com

By blogbobAugust 27, 2008 - 1:10am

By blogbobAugust 27, 2008 - 2:10am

Shedd's too cowardly. He has no problem making excuses for Bush policy and asking the same troops to go again and again to the war zone. But don't ask him to go enlist. He's too busy being a keyboard warrior.

By f u bush2August 27, 2008 - 1:14am

Ah, the sophist is back

How many oil leases does McCain own? (I know, I know, ask his wife, she handles all the details...)

Can McCain safely enter a room with USS Forrestal veterans yet?

Can McCain find Georgia on a map yet without asking what part of Atlanta it's in? (Oops, my bad...that was Bush.)

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

By nonexistent manAugust 27, 2008 - 2:31am

So where were you tonite, SmegmaHedd?

You missed it. I wore jeans to the first night of class, in violation of the College dress code. Yeppers, I violated my contract and you missed it! Now if you'd been there to file a formal complaint, you could have got me fired. Darn. Bet you wish you knew who I was, huh loser?

Shhh! Nobody tell him the dress code isn't enforced. It would just break his little heart. Or whatever republifundies have instead of one.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

By LiberalIconoclastAugust 27, 2008 - 2:38am

Ahhh ... the odorous stench of RepugliCANT desperation ...

REFRESHING. Thanks for confirming, SHITspread that you're fucking moron!

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

By Pookie2112August 27, 2008 - 8:51am

Smells to high Hallibutron in hyar, dunnit?

What a laugh! First Obama upstages the repukes by picking Biden on a Saturday. BIDEN! The very one that Crash's handlers fear most. Now Hillary manages to both win most of her people over to Obama and stick a big blue dildo up the Grumps fat ass at the same time. What a one-two knockout.

Did you hear Crash's people on MSNBC all about how Hillary still didn't say that Obama was qualified, yada blah traitor muslim? What a bunch of petulant little republibabies!

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

By LiberalIconoclastAugust 27, 2008 - 10:48am

Isn't it hilarious, when these morons from McBush's

camp go on national tv, spewing bullshit provided to them by these idiotic fringe groups? MCBUSH'S OWN PEOPLE FOR FUCKSSAKE! Which is AWESOME because it ties McBush in with the VERY PEOPLE HE PURPORTS TO CONDEMN ... priceless!

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

By Pookie2112August 27, 2008 - 11:32am

By Shedd August 27, 2008 - 1:30am

In order to get the feeling in the air, Dowd decided to bypass the sources and ignore those who had the feelings and instead decided to get the "truth" from a McCain Republican strategist? Interesting decision. One would think that if Dowd cared about depicting the reality of those "feelings", she would've consulted the sources directly. Instead, it almost appears as if she's simply doing her part to pile on top of the decision by the TradMed to push the "Dems Divided!" meme in order to try and stoke the dying flames.

Reality Check: there are a number of Hillary supporters (read "not really Democrats, but simply idol worshippers") who won't vote for Obama, regardless of what either Hillary or Obama says. Just as there are any number of supporters of Republican candidates who won't vote for McCain. The only difference being: you won't hear the stories about that Republican division from a TradMed clearly devoted to making it as uphill a battle for Obama and the Dems as possible.

**edit**
(Related: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/27/10251/0593/293/576348 )
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"We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace."
"Power to the peaceful..." --Franti

By SJerseyIndyAugust 27, 2008 - 10:15am

Exactly right.

I've always said, with liberals like Maureen Dowd, who needs right-wingers. She is as bad as Rush, Hannity, etc. Maybe worse, because there is this insane belief out there that she is to the left, so unthinking people can say, "Well, if even one of their own is saying ________, it must be true!"

By phoenix09August 27, 2008 - 12:42pm

What a shock! A "peppery

What a shock! A "peppery Republican strategist" characterized the tone of the convention as "submerged hate"? I'm sure that was a completely unbiased opinion.

At a meeting of the Democratic women’s caucus Tuesday, 74-year-old Carol Anderson of Vancouver, Wash., a former Hillary volunteer, stood in the back of the room in a Hillary T-shirt and hat signed by Hillary and “Nobama” button and booed every time any of the women speakers mentioned Obama’s name.

THIS is the type of Hillary supporter I believe does DESERVE bashing. If you support Hillary on the issues, then you HAVE to support Obama now. If you were only voting for Hillary because she has the same genitalia as you (as is apparently the case with this woman), then you are just a fucking idiot.

I'm sure Huff will now accuse me of "bashing Hillary" or trying to "divide the party". Well he's just wrong. I thought Hillary's speech was great. It's this type of Hillary supporter who is going to vote for McCain who is dividing the party. You'd have to be "blind" not to see that!

-- McCain = Four more years of the same --

By dtaylo75August 27, 2008 - 10:32am

I'll say this for Hillary

I didn't hear her once use the words "obamacon" or "libtard". And She didn't refer to Obama as an avatar of any deity.

By f u bush2August 27, 2008 - 1:12am

That is because...

She may be DLC but She is no republicrap.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

By LiberalIconoclastAugust 27, 2008 - 2:38am

did i tell you?

MCbush WAS IN A gitmo PRISON CAMPaign for lobbyists FOR keating FIVE one-hundred YEARS in iraq.

By dewbie dubaiAugust 27, 2008 - 1:38am

Now THAT'S the Hillary that we love!

Awesome speech last night! I believe that it will go a long way in bringing the party together.

By roadgoddessAugust 27, 2008 - 6:09am

Are We Smoking the Lawn Again?

Great spreech - moving, touching and articulate, except for one thing - it didn't mention anything about Obama and/or his qualifications to be our next President! For crying out loud, could she at least have said something along the lines of "I have come to know Barack (the word "Barack" was also noticeably missing - it was "Obama, Obama, Obama") over the past 18 months and he is a manof character,wisdom and leadership"?

No, it was basically "Vote for Barack because he's a Democrat". All one had to do was observe the persistent scowl on Micelle's face to get this. I believe the appropriate expression is "damning with faint praise".

I know it's always about the Clintons, but between James Carville and Harold Wolfson sniping, Bill (as always) groping the chick next to him (extended, 30-second "bear hug" as opposed to the 2 second neck'n'peck to the matron next to her), and Hillary with her (very effective - very 2012 campaign-ish) half hour tribute to herself and the sisterhood, it was not a shining moment for the candidate himself.

She can state "I like John McCain, he's friend of mine", but can't state "I know Barack, he's a truely gifted associate"?

Sorry guys, the afterglow on this is the retinal image of the orange pantsuit I'm afraid...

By houndogAugust 27, 2008 - 6:58am

Vote for Barack because he's a Democrat

No it wasn't> It was vote for Barack because he is for everything you are for and McCain is for everything you are against. Big Difference.

The experience thing was nothing more than a sign of her desperation in the primaries and now it is a sign of repug desperation in the general.

By gt6August 27, 2008 - 7:08am

I Agree, BUT

Most of the folks on this blog of course agree with you, the problem is that there's a mass of voters out there who vote for the person, not so much the programs. Exhibit A - Jimmy Carter and Reagan. My point was that Hillary's speech was extremely light on Barack's outstanding personal qualities, just a re-hash of why Democratic principles and philosophy are superior to the Reeps.

Again, my basis for this was the look on Michelle's face throughout - clearly she was not pleased.

By houndogAugust 27, 2008 - 7:49am

By houndog August 27, 2008 - 8:49am

My point was that Hillary's speech was extremely light on Barack's outstanding personal qualities, just a re-hash of why Democratic principles and philosophy are superior to the Reeps.
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Consider the audience. It was a speech designed for and directed at her supporters. The whole point was to remind them that it's not about her as a personality, but about the principles she as a personality and her supporters as individuals and Barack as a personality share. Those principles are bigger than the personality. I think she did a fine job getting that across.
And for those supporters of hers who don't take that message, the simpe fact of the matter is that they are idol worshippers who will never be persuaded... even by the idol they worship.
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"We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace."
"Power to the peaceful..." --Franti

By SJerseyIndyAugust 27, 2008 - 9:33am

Exactly

"Consider the audience. It was a speech designed for and directed at her supporters. The whole point was to remind them that it's not about her as a personality, but about the principles she as a personality and her supporters as individuals and Barack as a personality share."

The speech was all about "her as a personality" - her background, champion of the glass ceiling breakers, her mom, etc. You don't share values as a "personality", you share them as core priniciples. Barack is not a personality, he's a talented, brilliant individual who is capable of returning us to greatness - this did not come through in this speech - as evidenced by Michelle's constant scowl. I don't think her supporters were moved into Obama's camp - I saw a lot of tears and very little enthusiasm for the "unity" message.

Again, a great speech - but not from selling Obama to the Clintonistas or the larger audience viewpoint.

By houndogAugust 27, 2008 - 11:35am

She had to bring up the reasons people supported her

on order to stress why they cannot allow McCain into office.

I'm not sure what speech you saw, but in the one I watched, she hammered McCain and made it VERY clear why her supporters must support Obama.

By gt6August 27, 2008 - 11:46am

I saw the same speech you saw

I also saw Michelle Obama's and Hillary supporters' reactions. Didn't you?

I'm not as much interested in what she said as trying to examine how it was received. I agree with you on the substance, must disagree on the impact - but only my view of course.

By houndogAugust 27, 2008 - 12:49pm

By houndog August 27, 2008 - 12:35pm

"Personality" being a poor choice of word aside, I stand by my larger point.. on which I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. I think she spoke about herself and then spoke about why her supporters could not just focus on that. Why they could not just focus on her. She connected the battle she was fighting and what she was fighting for to the battles they had been fighting and what they had been fighting for to the battle she told her supporters they needed to fight now and what they needed to fight for now: electing Barack Obama as President.

The number of those supporters who didn't/don't hear or refuse to hear that message will continue to decline to the point of irrelevance. And it will consist mainly of so-called "Democrats" who are acting out against their own best interests. Republicans, basically.
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"We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace."
"Power to the peaceful..." --Franti

By SJerseyIndyAugust 27, 2008 - 1:04pm

Don't disagree

On what she was TRYING to do - just offering MHO on how I think it was received/interpreted by the Clintonistas and Independents.

BTW, I don't think the die-hard Clintonistas (among whom is our former President who was, hillariously, labelled in the Hillary bio intro film as "Hillary's Husband"! - What a smackdown!) are driven by reeper sympathies as much as they are by wanting Barack to lose to clear the field for HRC in 2012. The irrationalty and hopelessness of this approach is illustrated time and again by huffle-bunny's posts and I fear it has enough support to do serious damage come November.

Hoping this is not true - let's see how the rest of the week plays out. I will be very curious to see how many Dems leave town before the Thursday wind-up.

Aka, rats leaving the sinking pantsuit...

By houndogAugust 27, 2008 - 1:35pm

By houndog August 27, 2008 - 7:58am

Some folks will never be satisfied. To them, it's never enough. I suspect you're one of them.
____________________
"We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace."
"Power to the peaceful..." --Franti

By SJerseyIndyAugust 27, 2008 - 9:29am

SLAM DUNK - FOR MCCAIN

.
Hillary did NOT hit a Grand Slam. She barely mentioned McCain and her endorsement of Obama was lukewarm at best.

What Hillary needed to do was say,

"John McCain will do everything he can to take away a woman's rights".

"John McCain is against equal pay for women".

"John McCain will send your sons and daughters off to war without benefits when they return. Without good, clean hospitals for the wounded, and without good equipment". "How do we know?" "By his voting record against vets". "JOHN MCCAIN'S VOTING RECORD AGAINST OUR TROOPS IS A NATIONAL DISGRACE".

Those are the kinds of things she should have said, NOT that he is such a good man and so damn admirable. Please. She was trying to GIVE it to McCain.

By deanrddAugust 27, 2008 - 8:05am

Well Said

Couldn't agree more. Why was it necessary to identify the old fraudster as her friend?

By houndogAugust 27, 2008 - 8:17am

By deanrddAugust 27, 2008 - 9:05am

I agree to a point. I thought her speech was good and showed Hillary as Hillary - Hillary without her handlers lurking in the shadows, telling her what they think she should say. THAT said, I don't think she hammered home as well as she could have the issues that affect her base, those women who are still pissed off she lost - the 34 - 45 year old, blue collar women making less than $50K/yr, who have much to lose with a Rudy McBush presidency. I also don't think she made the point too clear that Obama has the kahona's to be president. I wonder, so much is made of 'experience' ... what did the Continental Congress do about Washington? I mean, he didn't have 'experience' in presidential matters ... but I digress ...

In my humble opinion, those women who are STILL pissed off, are doing absolutely NOTHING to further women's rights and EVERYTHING to derail women's rights. If their husband's don't get them the diamond ring or the car that they REALLY wanted for Christmas, are they going to stamp their feet and hold their breath until their faces turn blue until they get EXACTLY what they want? Again, in my humble opinion, these women are pissed off at more than just Hillary losing the nomination. Maybe their mothers didn't hug them enough as kids? I don't know but in watching some of them, I get the distinct impression that there are some deep rooted issues they've got going on.

"You can't always get what you WANT ...but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you NEED."

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

By Pookie2112August 27, 2008 - 9:02am

One more thing ...

how can these women reconcile within themselves that, since Obama's the anti-christ because Hillary lost, they are perfectly willing to vote Rudy McBush if ...

He took up with the young, rich, mistress, while still married to accident-disfigured wife #1; and

he proudly calls the young, rich, mistress-now-wife #2 ... a ... CUNT??

Defies logic ...

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

By Pookie2112August 27, 2008 - 9:18am

By Pookie2112 August 27, 2008 - 10:18am

how can these women reconcile within themselves that, since Obama's the anti-christ because Hillary lost, they are perfectly willing to vote Rudy McBush
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I guess they must just look at it as their duty to prep 2012 for their "bitch".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o
____________________
"We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace."
"Power to the peaceful..." --Franti

By SJerseyIndyAugust 27, 2008 - 9:52am

By SJerseyIndyAugust 27, 2008 - 10:52am

And a lot of good that will do the country ... four years from now. At the rate Monkey Boy and the RepugliCANT's are flushing this country down the shitter, Hillary may not even HAVE a presidency to run for by then.

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

By Pookie2112August 27, 2008 - 10:11am

Where were you? - It was a brilliant, hard-hitting speech

Did you write this before or after Clinton's speech? She eviscerated McCain in no uncertain terms. She did exactly what Pat Buchanan and others who were hoping for a subtle stab in the back predicted she wouldn't. She did the right thing and did it with style and high intelligence. Makes me proud to be a Democrat. She honored us all.

By redzeno2August 27, 2008 - 9:35am

By deanrdd August 27, 2008 - 9:05am

She barely mentioned McCain
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No way. No how. No McCain...
Now, John McCain is my colleague and my friend...
John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound...
John McCain doesn't think that 47 million people without health insurance is a crisis...
John McCain wants to privatize Social Security...
With an agenda like that, it makes sense that George Bush and John McCain will be together next week in the Twin Cities...

Maybe we have different interpretations of the term "barely".

What Hillary needed to do was say..."John McCain is against equal pay for women".
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John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound. John McCain doesn't think that 47 million people without health insurance is a crisis. John McCain wants to privatize Social Security. And in 2008, he still thinks it's okay when women don't earn equal pay for equal work.

What speech were you watching?

Less handwringing. More paying attention...
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"We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace."
"Power to the peaceful..." --Franti

By SJerseyIndyAugust 27, 2008 - 9:42am

LIKE I SAID, SHE BARELY MENTIONED MCCAIN

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The Speech the Democrats won’t say:

Part 1 – Foreign Affairs and the Military

The country is grateful for John McCain’s service and his own personal sacrifice. Does experience as a POW mean that John McCain would make a good president?

Let’s consider John McCain’s voting record for our beloved troops.

John McCain has a rating and grade from the Disabled Veterans of America and from the Veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan of 20% and a D. When I was in school, a grade of D was not good. Perhaps a grade of D is not so bad for John. Maybe for him, a grade of D is over achieving? We, as a nation, can’t settle for a D.

John McCain feels if you give a veteran too many benefits, they won’t stay in the military. Our own Department of Defense says benefits are what attract people to the military. Good benefits bring good people.

While our military has not only done an amazing job, they have done everything ask of them. They have been asked too much.

John McCain has voted again and again against care for our injured soldiers. They return to Walter Reed and Fort Sill and are expected to live in pest infested rooms and black mold. John McCain has voted against the mental care for those suffering from the mental stress of living under the constant fear of dying and repeated and unrelieved tours of duty.

John McCain voted against sending our troops new equipment and arming them with the weapons that are needed to keep them safe. John McCain has claimed that he has a 100% rating from Veterans groups. John McCain has even attempted to take credit for a bill, introduced by Jim Webb, which he voted against. John McCain is so desperate to become president; he has made claims that are not true.

No one is putting down John McCain’s military service. We are grateful. When John McCain was airlifted from the smoking ruin that was the Forrestal with the other severely injured crewman, he was back in the air only a month later, when he was shot down over Viet Nam. We know of John McCain’s bravery from the lips of the survivors of the Forrestal and how they honor John McCain during the many memorial reunions that he has attended to morn the crewmembers that died from this terrible accident. Without John McCain’s involvement and acts of bravery, who knows how much worse it could have been? But did John McCain’s actions during the Forrestal incident prepare him to be commander in chief?

If it’s all about good judgment, then why did John McCain walk around a Baghdad market surrounded by 100 troops and 5 heavily armed helicopters? To put these good soldiers in danger for a photo op shows a terrible lack of judgment.

5 Years after the invasion John McCain didn’t know the difference between Sunni and Shiite. Whispering Joe was there to shield John. Whispering Joe may not be there the next time to “whisper” into John’s ear.

If John McCain were president, we would now have troops in Georgia facing the Russian Army. Troops with poor equipment. Troops that have been devastated by Iraq.

John McCain said the “Surge worked”. We have been told many times, “the surge worked”. We ask you John McCain, “The surge worked to do what?”

John McCain talked about the Christians in Georgia. How the Christian religion in Georgia has been there for hundreds of years. I ASK YOU JOHN MCCAIN, “WHAT ABOUT THE CHRISTIANS IN IRAQ?”

Article 2 of the Iraq constitution says, “Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation”

Part A says, “No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.”

John McCain, how does that protect the Christians of Iraq?

The second part of Part A says, “This constitution guarantees the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and the full religious rights for all individuals and the freedom of creed and religious practices.” Religioius practices WITHIN Islam.

John McCain, how does that protect the Christians of Iraq?

Article 3 of the Iraq Constitution says, “Iraq is a multiethnic, multi-religious and multi-sect country. It is part of the Islamic world and its Arab people are part of the Arab nation.”

Part of the Islamic world and part of the Arab nation. John McCain, how does that protect the Christians of Iraq?

The truth is, it doesn’t.

John McCain and George Bush have misled the American people. Iraq was never about democracy and freedom. It has always been about oil and the Republican cash cow that it has become.

IF JOHN MCCAIN CARED ABOUT CHRISTIANS, HE WOULD CARE ABOUT THE 1.4 MILLION CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE SEEN HALF OF THEIR POPULATION DISAPEAR SINCE 2004. WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

John McCain was wrong about not trying diplomacy with Iraq. John McCain was wrong about not trying deplomacy with the Russians. If John McCain becomes president, America will see a never ending string of wars that will bankrupt the country and see America as less safe.

No my friends. John McCain does not have the judgment to be commander in chief. Whispering Joe might not be around to “whisper” in John McCain’s ear.

By deanrddAugust 27, 2008 - 11:27am

Did anybody catch The Magic Moron & Co. on TV last night?

It was quite sad, but The Daily Show gave them the ridicule that those humorless morons rightly deserve.

Trying to Heal the Hillbots

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By Guy FawkesAugust 27, 2008 - 10:56am

I just about peed my pants laughing when I realized

where John Oliver was going with his piece. I just about died when they were fumbling through their talking points, trying to 'justify their anger'.

Talk about a bitch-slap up against those empty melons!

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

By Pookie2112August 27, 2008 - 11:19am

By Pookie2112August 27, 2008 - 12:19pm

I loved the smug little PUMA guy. That little smirk on his face when he was explaining what the acronym stood for was priceless. He thought he was being so clever...

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By Guy FawkesAugust 27, 2008 - 11:23am

By Guy FawkesAugust 27, 2008 - 12:23pm

It was funny as hell watching his expression go from one of arrogance to one of "Uh, oh. I'm in deep doo-doo."

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

By Pookie2112August 27, 2008 - 11:37am

Here are two more examples

of the hatred and bashing of Hillary and her supporters. These libtards cant stop. YOU people are at fault for the coming loss, no one else. You are cutting your own throats but you dont care. This bizarre behavior is incomprehensible. You just cant help yourselves.

We got a taste of what could have been last night. Thanks to you Obamacons we get McCain.

By hufflarry2000August 27, 2008 - 11:27am

Okay, smarty pants ... point out ONE

just ONE statement that is bashing Hillary - not her brain dead supporters, but Hillary personally ... come on puff-puff-pass ... Can you look through the haze of the bong hits and provide said statement?

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

By Pookie2112August 27, 2008 - 11:34am

You people are beyond help.

Your behavior defies explanation.

By hufflarry2000August 27, 2008 - 11:38am

By hufflarry2000August 27, 2008 - 12:38pm

Saying we won't "bash" Hillary doesn't mean we can't be critical as we would be with any other politician. The discussion here is about her speech. People are pointing out what they did and di not like about it.

I rolled my eyes a couple times during her speech but it's not worth bringing up my complaints when I overall I think she did a great job.

The other topic worthy of discussion is the silliness of her supporters who will not vote for Obama solely because he beat their candidate.. It's one thing to not vote for someone because you have an issue with the person or the party has left you. But to say you would vote for someone and then change your mind because you are devoted to another candidate, well that's just stupid. And Hillary said the same.

By f u bush2August 27, 2008 - 12:17pm

Allow me to translate, puff-puff-pass ...

Even though there are OODLES of posts to the contrary, and, as I've taken one too many bong hits this morning, and I'm blinded by my rage against those who I perceive as slighting my god, my idol, Hillary and who I perceive as slighting us for the mere fact that we support our god, our idol, I will ASSUME that everyone here is bashing both my god, my idol Hillary and those who support her. As I have no FACTUAL BASIS for my perceptions, they are still my perceptions, therefore, my perceptions are RIGHT and everyone else is WRONG. FACTS BE DAMNED!"

So, puff-puff-bogey, when will we see you making a video such as this for your god, your idol, Hillary?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXVs5zjZPFw

Please keep us posted, I'm sure it'll be a HUGE HIT on youtube ...

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

By Pookie2112August 27, 2008 - 12:50pm

That's a bit of a stretch

Now really, I think Hillary got her props from everyone concerned. It was a masterful and, I think, sincere speech. Bill has his work cut out for him tonite.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

By LiberalIconoclastAugust 27, 2008 - 11:50am

WTF is Huff talking about!??!?!?!?

Are you on drugs? I mean that quite seriously. I've reviewed this thread and found numerous positive mentions of Hillary:

1. Starting with the title of the thread "Hillary Delivers Masterful Speech–Tweaks McCain, Lifts Up Obama "
2. I'll be FRist! to jump on the "job well done" bandwagon.
 --SJerseyIndy
3. Whatevr your personal opinion of Hillary...When she's good, she's the best.
 --LiberalIconoclast
4. HILLARY HIT THE GRAND SLAM FOR OBAMA --army193
5. I thought Hillary's speech was great --dtaylo75 (me)
6. Now THAT'S the Hillary that we love! Awesome speech last night! I believe that it will go a long way in bringing the party together. --roadgoddess
7. Great spreech - moving, touching and articulate --houndog
8. I'm not sure what speech you saw, but in the one I watched, she hammered McCain and made it VERY clear why her supporters must support Obama. --gt6
9. I thought her speech was good and showed Hillary as Hillary - Hillary without her handlers lurking in the shadows, telling her what they think she should say. --pookie2112
10. It was a brilliant, hard-hitting speech --redzeno2

There's my top 10. And that's of 1:05pm EST, I'm sure more compliments will be coming in as the day goes on. After all, it was a great speech. The only mildly critical assessments I found were stating that she should have pounded on McCain a little harder...

Please Huff, prove to us you are not insane or a right-wing tool, show us this vast conspiracy of "Hillary Bashing" in this thread....

By dtaylo75August 27, 2008 - 12:09pm

By dtaylo75August 27, 2008 - 1:09pm

I think Huff is proving my point that he is the instigator of all this.

By f u bush2August 27, 2008 - 12:25pm

Let me add my compliments to the bunch

Hillary gave one of the best speeches I've ever seen her give, and she made Warner, the keynote speaker, look like a geeky high schooler who can't put a cogent string of thoughts together. To me, it was quite believable that she supports Obama. It doesn't matter what her motivation was....whether it was the fact that she honestly believes we need to defeat Crash, or whether it was pure sef-interest. It doesn't matter to me, because she did everything she needed to do. Yes, I saw some diehard Hillary supporters who still feel she should be the nominee, but I think they are far outnumbered by those that actually heeded her words.

To me, the most important part of the speech was when she asked her supporters why they supporter her...were they supporting her personally, or her ideas and goals? If it's the former, she let them know that is the wrong reason. If, on the other hand, you support her ideas on healthcare, education, children, and the other causes she supports and champions, you know that Obama is the only rational choice out there.

As far as I personally am concerned, she won back my respect and admiration. If for some reason Obama loses, even if I see the Clintons actually work hard to get him elected, I will hold no grudge against her, and may very well support her for a 2012 run. Of course, if repubs get 4 more years to destroy this country, there may not be much of a country left to run by that time.

By UffdaguyAugust 27, 2008 - 12:26pm

By UffdaguyAugust 27, 2008 - 1:26pm

As far as I personally am concerned, she won back my respect and admiration.

At the risk of sounding like a Rusty fan, I must say, "Ditto".

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