Clemency Overdue For the Innocent

By talkleft

Perhaps preoccupied with his own problems, Gov. Rod Blagojevich of Illinois has neglected the stack of clemency petitions overflowing his IN basket. The day before a long holiday weekend is always a good day to grant pardons. The inevitable "soft on crime" criticism that follows from giving someone a break is softened when voters are too busy watching things explode to pay much attention to the news.

Of the 19 pardons Blagojevich granted yesterday, some are clearly overdue:

Gov. Rod Blagojevich has pardoned three men who were exonerated in 2002 after a federal investigation forced Chicago police to re-examine the 1997 kidnapping and murder that led to their convictions. The men spent years in jail before authorities determined they were not involved in the crimes, and have been awaiting the pardon decision for some time.

and

Blagojevich also pardoned a dead man who served more than a dozen years in prison for a rape and murder he didn't commit.

But the governor needs to get back to work. [more ...]

"While the four men who received innocence pardons are certainly deserving, there are numerous other exonerated individuals who are likewise awaiting innocence pardons," said Karen Daniel, an attorney with the Center on Wrongful Convictions at Northwestern University. "The governor should prioritize these innocence cases as he continues his review."

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Typical conduct of a state run by democrats.

Democratic Party: The party of deception, racism, and deceit.

Accuracy fixxy

RepubliCANTs: the party of deception, racism, and deceit.

No need to thank me.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

You just proved my point.

Check mate.

still sidestepping

Admit Condi lied!

You have not provided:

Her entire statement.
His entire statement
Her rebuttal to his statement
Until you do, you have not proven a thing.
At least provide the link where these statements can be found.
I suggest you know your theory is flawed, and what to hide that fact.

The statement is complete

context does not change it. It is a lie all by itself. I am not talking about HIS statements. That came much later. It is her statement that the tubes were only really suited to nuclear refining which is a lie.

Then why not post it and let me be the judge of that.

Your resistance is very suspicious. What are you trying to hide? How do I know they are even talking about the same tubes? Come on dude, quite being evasive. Put up or shut up.

I have posted it repeatedly

from 3 different sources. It is you that are being obtuse and evasive. They are the same tubes because it is the same EXACT quote every time.

Now your just lying.

Condi, by your own admission, is 99.999999999999% honest.

GT6 never admitted that. You

GT6 never admitted that. You stated it several times. I guess when you reach the magical number of three, it becomes truth to you. Catapult that propaganda, and you start to believe it yourself. You neocon sycophants create your own little reality, with your re-written history books and your little self-comforting lies, just to avoid looking at yourself and seeing what kinds of creeps you really support. Then you call all the rest of the world traitors because they don't buy into your illusions and lies.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower

One: He has only posted one sentence she has maybe

misspoke about, out of how many tens of thousands of public sentences? I'd say that's pretty impressive. He hasn't disputed this, has he, though I have given him every opportunity to do so.
Two: I posted fifty differant lies of Obama's, not just one. He hasn't disputed any of them, nor have you. I can only believe you don't dispute them. Three: It is you who rewrite history, with your trying to white wash the democratic parties racist history, and in turn trying to impute that racism onto the republican's. Four: A traitor is someone who, in times of war, gives aid and comfort to the enemy. That discribes most of you on this site.

Chickenhawk.

Obama told the truth. Condi lied. Spamming anything different doesn't change those simple, stubborn, irreducible FACTS.

Why is it that the TRUTH always seems to have a liberal bias?

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

One step at a time

when you admit the first lie we can move on to another.You can go next. Name I lie by obama and make it your best shot. No opinions or proposals, just a statement of fact. I will address it. but FIRST you must admit Condi lied.

YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, you must first prove she lied. You haven't, so now you must admit the Obama's a liar. I did prove that.
By the way, I did read Condi's response to the accusation. She told the gentleman in question, in essence, that he was full of shit, as did the other people on the panel. And he even apoligized to Condi. Now we know why you won't post the link, to the actual hearings. You already knew this, and are just trying to re-write history to fit you narrow, bigoted point of view.

GT6 LIED, OBAMA LIED, the party died.

clarify for me

are you saying she didn't say it or are you saying the statement is not a lie?

I'm saying, like she told the original person

making the allegation, that it is dishonest to characterize her statement as a lie. He then apologized to her. You know this, so why won't you admit it? Or is it possible you haven't actually seen the hearings? See below post to Michtou. By the way, did you see the AP report about the nukes, dated today. Apparently Saddam did have nuke material all along. Even though he spent years denying it, and you people supporting his lies.

So you admit

She made the statement.

Here is why it IS a lie. She knew there was another MORE likely explanation. Her statement that the tubes were "really only suited for" nukes is the lie. It suggests that there WAS NO OTHER explanation, not that nukes was merely the preferred one.

If she had said that nukes was the best explanation, she would have been WRONG, but her incompetence is enough to make that not a lie. But her statement was that no other explanation could be considered. And she knew better.

SHE LIED, because she knew it was untrue and said it anyway. I'm sorry the senator did not follow my line to its fullest, but that does not change the facts. He has to be a diplomat, I don't.

Apparently your not dense or dumb,

your dishonest. GT is a liar.

I documented my case

So now your only recourse is to name call.

I'm not the one who tried to cover my illiteracy by saying French was my first language.

By gt6July 7, 2008 - 9:54am

Once again hatey has been exposed and proven to be a liar.

Thank you

*takes a bow*

By gt6July 7, 2008 - 9:54am

GT. Apparently you are being confused with someone called "dishonest". I've heard it said "your dishonest" LOL

By MichtouJuly 5, 2008 - 8:49pm

hatey has about a week left before he is banned again.

YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know you don't hearing the

truth. But, read it and weep: AP Exclusive: US removes uranium from Iraq
By BRIAN MURPHY – 1 day ago

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions

By leftysrsickJuly 6, 2008 - 8:23pm

1. So you admit to being hatey
2. What the fuck are you saying?: " I know you don't hearing the truth. "

No, I only admit that your a traitorous fool.

And I stand by my statement: I know you don't like hearing the truth.

This was addressed earlier

it was uranium that Saddam had before the 91 war. It was documented and accounted for. It does, however, poke holes in the idea he was trying to buy the stuff. since he already had it and after a dozen years, had not refined it.

NOW! Admit Condi lied.

I thought he said he didn't have any?

You can't have it both ways. Bush said he had it, you say he didn't. History proved you wrong.

And again, what is your point?

That Condi is honest only 99.9999999999999999999999 per cent of the time? I'll concede that. No one is 100% honest. And people do make mistakes. So again, either provide more documentation, or shut the fuck up. Even Michtou thinks your making an ass of yourself.

When did Michtou say that?

When she was speaking French, maybe? ADMIT CONDI LIED so we can move on.

Back to the "check and mate"

Back to the "check and mate" phrase again, that you overused so much as sockpuppet #1 (hatenomor). You're so predictable. Are you still black? Do you still live on the imaginary Oakland/Richmond border?

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower

I have only used that statement once.

It means the end of the argument, unless he provides more detail as to his allegation. I really would like to see Condi's rebuttal, before making up my mind, seeing as how this is the first I've heard of this allegation. And why does gt refuse to acknowledge my questions? I have pandered to him long enough. I have not asked unreasonable questions about his allegations. He has only posted someone saying she made an inaccurate statement, but no proof she actually was lying. Thats why her response to his statement is crucial. And thats why I feel gt is covering something up. I believe she set the man straight, about the matter, and he doesn't want her statement to interfere with his argument.

This place is so weird that the cockroaches have moved next door

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THATS ONLY FROM PAGE ONE ON MY SEARCH.

Aghan official says US strikes killed 22 civilians

Aghan official says US strikes killed 22 civilians
Afghan governor says airstrikes kill 22 civilians; US military denies noncombatants hurt
By FISNIK ABRASHI, Associated Press
Last updated: 9:12 p.m., Friday, July 4, 2008

KABUL, Afghanistan -- The U.S. military said airstrikes by its attack helicopters hit two vehicles carrying insurgents in eastern Afghanistan. The province's governor said 22 civilians, including a woman and a child, were killed.

A spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition said Friday the airstrikes in Nuristan province hit militants who earlier attacked a U.S. military base with mortars.

The helicopters identified the militants' firing positions, tracked them down and destroyed the vehicles they were traveling in, said 1st Lt. Nathan Perry.

"These were combatants. These were people who were firing on us," Perry said. "We have no reports of noncombatant injuries."

He gave no account of casualties in the vehicles.

Nuristan's Gov. Tamim Nuristani said, however, 22 civilians were killed in the Waygal district of Nuristan province. "This afternoon (Friday), two civilian vehicles were hit by airstrikes," Nuristani said over the phone.

Among those killed were a woman and a child. All 22 dead bodies were brought to a provincial hospital, Nuristani said. Seven other people were wounded.

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Cancel my subscription, I don't need your issues.

Culture is to make a nice drinking bowl from one's enemy's skull. Civilization is to go to prison for that.

It's good to be civilized, isn't it?

If not for civilization, you might already be a drinking bowl...

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

there is still

time.

You are self-made man who worships his creator.

You love nature in spite of what it did to you.

Oh, look! The troll-monkey's attempting philosophy!

You're just a figment of someone else's deranged imagination. You're a FNORD. No wonder the military won't take you; you're beneath their notice. It must be sad knowing you're not even fit to be cannon fodder for the Almighty RepubliCANT War Colossus.

You traitor scum. Leave my country. NOW. Maybe Cuba will take you.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Hey nana man

Are you familiar with the dyslexic, agnostic insomniac who stays awake all night wondering if there is a Dog

Oh, look! Now the troll-monkey's attempting humour!

How about the dyslexic devil-worshipper who tried to sell his soul to Santa?

You've got a better chance of seeing Jesus in a Speedo than you do of winning any argument here, so you may as well quit while you're behind.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Yes there is

Dog The Bounty Hunter

Vote Nader and send Hussein Obama back to south Chi Town

Are you even paying attention to what you're blathering about?

Go enlist, chickenhawk.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Plagiarized, you mean

You posted 50 lies about Obama and did not give references for either the so-called lies or the "truth". You copied them from a right-wing propaganda site. I've seen that list before.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower

Huh, michtou.

So, when I ask gt6 to provide the links to the actual statements, and all he does is submit article's that contain a partial statement, you support him, but when I do the same, you condemn me. Don't you think thats hypocrisy? By the way, I never claimed, until now that Obama was a liar, just that those allegations where out there. And posted those allegations, just as gt6 posted more or less the same against Condi. I beat him 50 to 1.

Afghan officials: US missiles killed 27 civilians

Afghan officials: US missiles killed 27 civilians
AMIR SHAH and JASON STRAZIUSO
AP News
Jul 06, 2008 11:17 EST

Afghan officials said fighter aircraft battling militants accidentally killed up to 27 Afghans walking to a wedding ceremony in eastern Afghanistan early Sunday, the second military attack in three days with reports of civilian deaths.

The U.S. military blamed the claims on militant propaganda and said its missiles only struck insurgents.

President Hamid Karzai had already ordered an investigation into allegations that missiles from U.S. helicopters struck civilians on Friday in eastern Afghanistan, though the Defense Ministry said Sunday that attack on the Nuristan-Kunar border killed or wounded 20 militants.

U.S. Army Gen. David D. McKiernan, the commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, told The Associated Press on Sunday that the two incidents were being investigated. He noted that militants hide among and intimidate civilians.

U.S. spokesman 1st Lt. Nathan Perry said the military has repeatedly seen militants falsely claim civilian were killed.

"Whenever we do an airstrike the first thing they're going to cry is 'Airstrike killed civilians' when the missile actually struck militant extremists we were targeting in the first place," Perry said. "At this time we don't believe we've harmed anyone except for the combatants."

In a statement, Karzai cited allegations by Tamim Nuristani, the governor of Nuristan province, that 15 civilians were killed and seven wounded in the Friday attack. During a Cabinet meeting on Sunday, top Afghan officials prayed for any innocent lives lost, a presidential palace statement said.

"The killing and wounding of our countrymen as the result of airstrikes is news that always makes us sad," Karzai said.

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Hey, traitorous propagandist islamofacist.

Why are you ignoring the iraqi Nuke story? Proves who side your on FU.

By leftysrsickJuly 6, 2008 - 10:13pm

Why are you ignoring the iraqi Nuke story?

What Iraqi nuke story? I didn't see any story about Iraqi nukes. Is Bush selling them some?

So, your trying to tell me your deaf, DUMB, and blind?

Ok, I guess I will except that as your excuse for being an idiot.

By f u bush2July 6, 2008 - 10:46pm

I'll repeat it. I've looked all over this board and on news sites and I do not see any story on Iraqi Nukes. Has anyone seen a story on Iraqi nuclear weapons? All I find is some unenriched yellow cake from the 19080's that everyone new about. But I would be really interested in a story about Iraqi nukes.

You're late, you're late, you're late.

No one is ignoring it. Someone posted it on one of these threads long before YOU became aware of it. And if you'd actually read, you'd find out that the US knew about that yellow cake a long, long time ago and so did the UN, which was safeguarding it SINCE BEFORE THE FIRST GULF WAR.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20080706_Iraq_s_nuclear__yellowc...

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower

Read this:

Why We Know Iraq is Lying" A Column by Dr. Condoleezza Rice
By Condoleezza Rice
Originally appeared in the New York Times on January 23, 2003

WASHINGTON. Eleven weeks after the United Nations Security Council unanimously passed a resolution demanding yet again that Iraq disclose and disarm all its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs, it is appropriate to ask, "Has Saddam Hussein finally decided to voluntarily disarm?" Unfortunately, the answer is a clear and resounding no.

National Security Adviser Dr. Condoleezza RiceThere is no mystery to voluntary disarmament. Countries that decide to disarm lead inspectors to weapons and production sites, answer questions before they are asked, state publicly and often the intention to disarm and urge their citizens to cooperate. The world knows from examples set by South Africa, Ukraine and Kazakhstan what it looks like when a government decides that it will cooperatively give up its weapons of mass destruction. The critical common elements of these efforts include a high-level political commitment to disarm, national initiatives to dismantle weapons programs, and full cooperation and transparency.

In 1989 South Africa made the strategic decision to dismantle its covert nuclear weapons program. It destroyed its arsenal of seven weapons and later submitted to rigorous verification by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Inspectors were given complete access to all nuclear facilities (operating and defunct) and the people who worked there. They were also presented with thousands of documents detailing, for example, the daily operation of uranium enrichment facilities as well as the construction and dismantling of specific weapons.

Ukraine and Kazakhstan demonstrated a similar pattern of cooperation when they decided to rid themselves of the nuclear weapons, intercontinental ballistic missiles and heavy bombers inherited from the Soviet Union. With significant assistance from the United States warmly accepted by both countries disarmament was orderly, open and fast. Nuclear warheads were returned to Russia. Missile silos and heavy bombers were destroyed or dismantled once in a ceremony attended by the American and Russian defense chiefs. In one instance, Kazakhstan revealed the existence of a ton of highly enriched uranium and asked the United States to remove it, lest it fall into the wrong hands.

Iraq's behavior could not offer a starker contrast. Instead of a commitment to disarm, Iraq has a high-level political commitment to maintain and conceal its weapons, led by Saddam Hussein and his son Qusay, who controls the Special Security Organization, which runs Iraq's concealment activities. Instead of implementing national initiatives to disarm, Iraq maintains institutions whose sole purpose is to thwart the work of the inspectors. And instead of full cooperation and transparency, Iraq has filed a false declaration to the United Nations that amounts to a 12,200-page lie.

For example, the declaration fails to account for or explain Iraq's efforts to get uranium from abroad, its manufacture of specific fuel for ballistic missiles it claims not to have, and the gaps previously identified by the United Nations in Iraq's accounting for more than two tons of the raw materials needed to produce thousands of gallons of anthrax and other biological weapons.

Iraq's declaration even resorted to unabashed plagiarism, with lengthy passages of United Nations reports copied word-for-word (or edited to remove any criticism of Iraq) and presented as original text. Far from informing, the declaration is intended to cloud and confuse the true picture of Iraq's arsenal. It is a reflection of the regime's well-earned reputation for dishonesty and constitutes a material breach of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441, which set up the current inspections program.

Unlike other nations that have voluntarily disarmed and in defiance of Resolution 1441 Iraq is not allowing inspectors "immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted access" to facilities and people involved in its weapons program. As a recent inspection at the home of an Iraqi nuclear scientist demonstrated, and other sources confirm, material and documents are still being moved around in farcical shell games. The regime has blocked free and unrestricted use of aerial reconnaissance.

The list of people involved with weapons of mass destruction programs, which the United Nations required Iraq to provide, ends with those who worked in 1991 even though the United Nations had previously established that the programs continued after that date. Interviews with scientists and weapons officials identified by inspectors have taken place only in the watchful presence of the regime's agents. Given the duplicitous record of the regime, its recent promises to do better can only be seen as an attempt to stall for time.

Last week's finding by inspectors of 12 chemical warheads not included in Iraq's declaration was particularly troubling. In the past, Iraq has filled this type of warhead with sarin a deadly nerve agent used by Japanese terrorists in 1995 to kill 12 Tokyo subway passengers and sicken thousands of others. Richard Butler, the former chief United Nations arms inspector, estimates that if a larger type of warhead that Iraq has made and used in the past were filled with VX (an even deadlier nerve agent) and launched at a major city, it could kill up to one million people. Iraq has also failed to provide United Nations inspectors with documentation of its claim to have destroyed its VX stockpiles.

Many questions remain about Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and arsenal and it is Iraq's obligation to provide answers. It is failing in spectacular fashion. By both its actions and its inactions, Iraq is proving not that it is a nation bent on disarmament, but that it is a nation with something to hide. Iraq is still treating inspections as a game. It should know that time is running out.

Condoleezza Rice is the National Security Adviser.

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You haven't proven your point at all.

Written in 2003. Disproven time and again afterwards.
You simply ignore what you don't want to see, and then call those people who point it out to you unpatriotic.
You,sir, are a dupe. That's why your job is to post on these boards. No one with a smidgen of critical thinking skills would be proven wrong, over and over again, and not only not realize that he's been proven wrong, but continue arguing the case!!!!

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower

That's really a ignorant statement.

Uh, thats why we went to war. To make sure he had no more, and couldn't use what he had. See Condi's NY times article I posted.

BS

WE knew exactly what he had here. We knew it wasn't being refined.

The point here is that Condi and the administration tried to make a case that didn't exist to justify a war they were hard set to have no matter what. This uranium is a perfect example. He had it for years and did nothing with it, but they tried to get people riled up over a false report of him trying to buy more when he wasn't even using what he had.

Ok hatey had his fun

He got schooled.

Now he's looking for a response quota. Let's not give it to him.

Tell Bush

No more war for oil!

Everything about the Bush administration revolves around oil profits for his friends at the expense of our soldiers. Remember when Cheney held that secret energy policy meeting back in 2001?

You know what is really sick?

Bush started this war for oil profits. At the republican convention you will see a bunch of oil executives hanging around and many of them will make use of the prostitutes that always gather for the republicans.

So in effect people died so the oil companies executives could get big bonuses and and more affordable hookers.

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