Joe Felice - "The Surge has Worked!"
Are reduced American casualties a good excuse to stay in Iraq?
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- July 22, 2008
Are reduced American casualties a good excuse to stay in Iraq?
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By willjud2111July 22, 2008 - 4:21pmIraqi Surge: The Great Taste vs Less Filling Debate
Fellow Bloggers,
Can I take you folks down memory lane?
Do you remember those silly beer commercials, in which each side was yelling what they thought was the key attribute of their favorite suds?
One side would yell - "Great Taste!!!"
While the other was yelling - "Less Filling!!!"
Republicans, Democrats- ---ARE YOU KIDDING ME???!!!!!!
Honestly, its starting to get on my nerves...I'm a Democrat , but its enough to make me want to petition for a box on the ballot marked 'Neither'.
Isnt the important thing that fewer lives are currently being lost?
Furthermore, how can we seriously discuss the notion of ANY kind of a 'Win', when more lives have been lost in this struggle than were lost on 911? The audacity of ANYONE to proclaim a victory is tantamount to one saying - '"just start banging your head against the wall...the pain will go away when you stop!"
The notion of a win in Iraq reminds me of a comedy skit I heard on the radio when I was a child....they were interviewing 'Tonto'...the journalist asked Tonto how he met the Lone Ranger...
"I bandaged his wounds and saved his life"
"Wow - thats great Tonto! - I can see why you two are great friends"
"Well- its was the least I could do - it was me who shot him"
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By willjud2111July 22, 2008 - 4:23pmWhy can't the RepubliCANTs give us a clear, stable definition
...of "victory in Iraq"?
It's because there is NO SUCH THING as "victory" in an occupation.
As another wise mind on this site has said repeatedly, it is ALWAYS about the money.
If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith
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By nonexistent manJuly 22, 2008 - 4:33pmThat was the idea...
The argument that we are bringing freedomcapitalism, capitalismfreedom to Iraq was supposed to sustain public opinion. Problem is, people see their cities going without parks and libraries. They see women going without prenatal care and millions of workers with no health care at all. They see the highways and bridges crumbling along with the middle class. And the voters have finally begun to ask whether a privatized Iraq is worth having only the worst of capitalism here at home.
Thanks a whole frackin' bunch, Monkey Boy!

You've destroyed the republic party better than any lib ever could.
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 4:41pmOne of my favorite political speakers said it best
"To the average American, the price of 'New Democracy' abroad is the death of real democracy at home." ~~~Arundhati Roy
Go hunt down the audio file for a speech she gave a few years ago: "Instant-mix Imperial Democracy - Buy One, Get One Free". It's longish, but well worth the time spent listening.
Oh, and since I turned off the killfile for a few minutes earlier today, and saw bannedfroggleggs trying to goof on someone else...Leonard Peltier, FTW!
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By nonexistent manJuly 22, 2008 - 4:48pmHummmmmmmmmmm
Live Vote
Is Democrat Barack Obama unfairly receiving more coverage than Republican John McCain? * 131284 responses
Yes, the media has a liberal bias. No one should be surprised by this.
79%
No, media coverage is based on newsworthiness. McCain is just not as newsy as Obama.
14%
Sometimes, but it's a long campaign. There weren't a lot of McCain complaints during Obama's problems with Rev. Wright.
6.3%
Not a scientific survey. Click to learn more. Results may not total 100% due to rounding.
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By fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 6:09pmName the liberals
who own, operate and run the news media. You cant, there are none. Your poll is just more of the right wing crap that you vomit daily.
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By hufflarry2000July 22, 2008 - 6:22pmOh, look! A distraction!
So, since you can't answer my very simple and very direct questions without straying outside the g0p Official Talking Points, you choose instead to post meaningless and reich-biased drivel intended to remove focus from those very simple and very direct questions.
Game, set and match to the Progressives. The RepubliCANTs will now kindly exit the playing field in an orderly fashion.
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By nonexistent manJuly 23, 2008 - 5:08pmJust because you choose to scroll items not to your liking,
does not mean they have not been articulated:
National Strategy for Victory in Iraq
The following document articulates the broad strategy the President set forth in 2003 and provides an update on our progress as well as the challenges remaining.
"The United States has no intention of determining the precise form of Iraq's new government. That choice belongs to the Iraqi people. Yet, we will ensure that one brutal dictator is not replaced by another. All Iraqis must have a voice in the new government, and all citizens must have their rights protected.
Rebuilding Iraq will require a sustained commitment from many nations, including our own: we will remain in Iraq as long as necessary, and not a day more."
-- President George W. Bush
February 26, 2003
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By fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 6:14pmGreat strategy there, G
Quoting THE MOST UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT IN U. S. HISTORY.
That will really get John Dubya McBush into the Shite House. Keep it up, Dim Bulb.
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 6:40pm"Broad strategy"?
Is that anything like a "time horizon"?
Funny thing about a horizon...no matter how far or how fast you go towards it, it never gets any closer.
Now, how about some SPECIFIC "victory conditions"? Or would naming them give the terrists the win?
Sometimes turning off the killfile is amusing. This is one of those times.
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By nonexistent manJuly 22, 2008 - 9:48pmI'm sure the hard line conservatards
will believe that victory will be achieved when all the brown people in Iraq are dead and we can repopulate the Garden of Eden with WASPs.
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By blogbobJuly 23, 2008 - 12:12amI think this answers your question.
Executive Summary
OUR NATIONAL STRATEGY FOR VICTORY IN IRAQ:
Helping the Iraqi People Defeat the Terrorists and Build an Inclusive Democratic State
* Victory in Iraq is Defined in Stages
o Short term, Iraq is making steady progress in fighting terrorists, meeting political milestones, building democratic institutions, and standing up security forces.
o Medium term, Iraq is in the lead defeating terrorists and providing its own security, with a fully constitutional government in place, and on its way to achieving its economic potential.
o Longer term, Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the global war on terrorism.
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By fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 6:11pmLet's see if victory has been achieved using those guidelines
Short Term:
Iraq is making progress in fighting terrorists, mostly due to US troops
Iraq has failed to meet almost every political milestone
Iraq has had a spotty record of building democratic institutions, with widespread corruption throughout the government
Security forces have yet to credibly stand up without US help, with the debacle in Basra earlier this year as a sterling example.
Grade: D - no victory
Medium Term:
Iraq has failed to take the lead in defeating terrorists, relying on US troops and bribes to deal with terrorists
Iraq has a fully constitutional government in place, but not all parts of the constitution have been ratified
Iraq is on its way to fulfilling its economic potential, but progress is uneven and fragile, as many basic parts of infrastructure such as electricity and water are still below pre-war levels, hindering economic development
Grade: C - marginal victory
Longer Term: Iraq is not peaceful, united, stable nor secure, as the political and sectarian reconciliation that was the goal of the surge has not occured.
Iraq is only partially integrated into the international community, with many nations still not having formal relations with the Iraqi government
Iraq is not a full partner in the global war on terrorism, as their strongest ally at this point is Iran, which is still on the US list of state sponsors of terror
Grade: D- No progress, no victory
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By UffdaguyJuly 23, 2008 - 12:43pmIn addition
* Our Strategy for Victory is Clear
o We will help the Iraqi people build a new Iraq with a constitutional, representative government that respects civil rights and has security forces sufficient to maintain domestic order and keep Iraq from becoming a safe haven for terrorists. To achieve this end, we are pursuing an integrated strategy along three broad tracks, which together incorporate the efforts of the Iraqi government, the Coalition, cooperative countries in the region, the international community, and the United Nations.
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By fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 6:12pmNo mention
in here of Bushie's plan to give the Iraqi oil to Exxon, Conoco, Shell, and BP.
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By blogbobJuly 23, 2008 - 12:16amFurther more:
* The Political Track involves working to forge a broadly supported national compact for democratic governance by helping the Iraqi government:
o Isolate enemy elements from those who can be won over to the political process by countering false propaganda and demonstrating to all Iraqis that they have a stake in a democratic Iraq;
o Engage those outside the political process and invite in those willing to turn away from violence through ever-expanding avenues of participation; and
o Build stable, pluralistic, and effective national institutions that can protect the interests of all Iraqis, and facilitate Iraq's full integration into the international community.
* The Security Track involves carrying out a campaign to defeat the terrorists and neutralize the insurgency, developing Iraqi security forces, and helping the Iraqi government:
o Clear areas of enemy control by remaining on the offensive, killing and capturing enemy fighters and denying them safe-haven;
o Hold areas freed from enemy influence by ensuring that they remain under the control of the Iraqi government with an adequate Iraqi security force presence; and
o Build Iraqi Security Forces and the capacity of local institutions to deliver services, advance the rule of law, and nurture civil society.
* The Economic Track involves setting the foundation for a sound and self-sustaining economy by helping the Iraqi government:
o Restore Iraq's infrastructure to meet increasing demand and the needs of a growing economy;
o Reform Iraq's economy, which in the past has been shaped by war, dictatorship, and sanctions, so that it can be self-sustaining in the future; and
o Build the capacity of Iraqi institutions to maintain infrastructure, rejoin the international economic community, and improve the general welfare of all Iraqis.
* This Strategy is Integrated and its Elements are Mutually Reinforcing
o Progress in each of the political, security, and economic tracks reinforces progress in the other tracks.
o For instance, as the political process has moved forward, terrorists have become more isolated, leading to more intelligence on security threats from Iraqi citizens, which has led to better security in previously violent areas, a more stable infrastructure, the prospect of economic progress, and expanding political participation.
* Victory Will Take Time
o Our strategy is working: Much has been accomplished in Iraq, including the removal of Saddam's tyranny, negotiation of an interim constitution, restoration of full sovereignty, holding of free national elections, formation of an elected government, drafting of a permanent constitution, ratification of that constitution, introduction of a sound currency, gradual restoration of neglected infrastructure, the ongoing training and equipping of Iraqi security forces, and the increasing capability of those forces to take on the terrorists and secure their nation.
o Yet many challenges remain: Iraq is overcoming decades of a vicious tyranny, where governmental authority stemmed solely from fear, terror, and brutality.
+ It is not realistic to expect a fully functioning democracy, able to defeat its enemies and peacefully reconcile generational grievances, to be in place less than three years after Saddam was finally removed from power.
o Our comprehensive strategy will help Iraqis overcome remaining challenges, but defeating the multi-headed enemy in Iraq -- and ensuring that it cannot threaten Iraq's democratic gains once we leave -- requires persistent effort across many fronts.
* Our Victory Strategy Is (and Must Be) Conditions Based
o With resolve, victory will be achieved, although not by a date certain.
+ No war has ever been won on a timetable and neither will this one.
o But lack of a timetable does not mean our posture in Iraq (both military and civilian) will remain static over time. As conditions change, our posture will change.
+ We expect, but cannot guarantee, that our force posture will change over the next year, as the political process advances and Iraqi security forces grow and gain experience.
+ While our military presence may become less visible, it will remain lethal and decisive, able to confront the enemy wherever it may organize.
+ Our mission in Iraq is to win the war. Our troops will return home when that mission is complete.
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By fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 6:13pmI thought victory was declared?
Rummy said he doubted it would last 6 months. Where are the WMDs? All your posts are lies and right wing crap. Only you 20%ers believe it.
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By hufflarry2000July 22, 2008 - 6:44pmHatey is a scared little ghetto bitch
He must be. Otherwise he would allow us to discuss America's failure in Iraq and Obama's coming election, rather than shutting down threads with his cowardly spam.
Come to San Diego and try to shut me up sometime, boy.
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 6:48pmYawn:
A question was asked, by nonexistent man on July 22, 2008 - at 5:33pm. I answered it. Get over it.
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By fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 7:01pmFuck you
Take your lardy ass and your spam somewhere else.
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 7:02pmThat's not spam, it's an official White Document.
Na Na Na Nana
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By fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 7:58pmGo and boil your bottom, son of a silly person!
Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries!
Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 8:07pmPolitical propaganda
nothing else. The plan all along was to privatize the Iraqi oil.
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By blogbobJuly 23, 2008 - 12:17amit's an official White Document.
Thanks for the tip, hateallthetime. Now we KNOW it's a bunch of bullshit.
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By Pookie2112July 25, 2008 - 1:38pmNow post an answer
that has some basis in reality. We all know the Bush lies.
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By hufflarry2000July 22, 2008 - 7:03pmHe has no answer, Huff...
He thinks Rush's "Operation Chaos" is still going on and that he's some kind of hero for spamming this blog. I cannot wait until Nov. 5 when Hatey and all his little friends cry like a bunch of lost kids in Wal-Mart.
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 7:21pmSomething Clear Thinkers Know and Leftists Won't Admit
Belief Growing That Reporters are Trying to Help Obama Win
Excerpt:
Conclusion: And, as usual, Air America and its brainwashed ideological sycophants are part of this bias problem, instead of the solution.
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By SheddJuly 22, 2008 - 7:42pmSo then, I am sure
That you can name the liberals who own and operate the media. What are their names and which media do they own and operate? And don't just cite that flawed and discredited UCLA study.
*chirp chirpity chirp chirp*
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 7:53pmPlease provide the study
Please provide the study and/or critique from a respected, mainstream research organization, such as a major university, that discredits the UCLA study. Unless you can furnish this rebuttal, then the UCLA study isn't discredited.
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By SheddJuly 22, 2008 - 7:58pmBy Shedd July 22, 2008 - 8:58pm
Oh, Fun With Acronyms? Lemme play.
Would you classify the ACLU as a "liberal" or "conservative" organization?
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By SJerseyIndyJuly 22, 2008 - 8:06pmDo I have to do everything for you lazy bitches?
If a study is not actually published in a peer-reviewed journal, it is often overlooked for scholarly review. However, ample questions exist. For one, the affiliations of the authors:
Then too, the methodology is deeply flawed and is itself biased. An example...
Source: http://mediamatters.org/items/200512220003
Additional material: http://www.albionmonitor.com/0602a/uclaliberalmediabias.html
Now are you going to answer my question? I want the names, employers, and positions of all the liberals who control the media. You can't do it, can you?
Jackass. I hope you never went to college. If you did, your mommy sure as hell wasted her Christmas bonus.
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 8:15pmNope -
Media Matters is most definitely not a respected mainstream research organization. It is a hard left advocacy group, which spends its time slanting information even further to the left. It is not a credible source. Plus the critique you gave oversimplifies and greatly mischaracterizes the study's methodology. As for albionmonitor, I'll check it out and see. Now, if you provide me with a critique from another respected American University, which places its research in a respected, peer-reviewed journal, I'll take you seriously.
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By SheddJuly 22, 2008 - 10:25pmWho cares if you take anyone seriously?
You are nothing but a fucking liar. Normal people laugh at idiots like you.
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By hufflarry2000July 22, 2008 - 10:33pmBy Shedd July 22, 2008 - 11:25pm
Plus the critique you gave oversimplifies and greatly mischaracterizes the study's methodology.
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The study's methodology places the ACLU in the "conservative" category. The study's methodology does a good enough job discrediting the study in and of itself. No further discrediting is needed.
Now, run along.
You have a branch of the armed forces to join so as to put your ass where your mouth is.
Wait a minute...
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By SJerseyIndyJuly 22, 2008 - 10:39pmFunny you should say that...
http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic199756.files/Gasper.pdf
Interesting that this author is not nearly as critical of the methodology as he should be. However, he still concludes that the media has experienced a shift toward CONSERVATIVE bias.
And IGiveHedd's argument crashes faster than Wrongway W. McBush's last five aircraft.
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 23, 2008 - 12:21amSee the MSNBC poll I posted.
Or what about this:
AP Abandons Straight Reporting
Good grief. The AP can't even report on John McCain's visit to Maine without making the story Obama-centric.
KENNEBUNKPORT, Maine (AP) — Republican John McCain worked on Monday to wrestle the spotlight from rival Barack Obama's tour of Iraq by insisting he was right and the Democrat was wrong about the war and releasing a new critical ad blaming higher gas prices on his opponent.
As Obama toured the war zones trailed by U.S. network TV anchors, McCain ridiculed him from afar during a visit with the first President George Bush at his summer home on the Atlantic. At the same time, the Republican contender released an eyebrow-raising new ad flatly blaming the Illinois senator for higher gasoline prices.
Heaven forbid someone try to pull the spotlight off the Chosen One, huh?
http://www.slublog.com/archives/2008/07/ap_abandons_str.html
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By fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 8:05pmScared, aren't you, you little republican bitch boy?
Your Great Crusade now amounts to a pile of shit. Barack Obama WILL be your next President. You know, son, I think you'd best leave this man's America. Get you to Saudi Arabia, or Singapore or Paraguay. Someplace that is more in line with your "values."
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 8:17pmJust like when Clinton beat Bush 1
the Righties will out "Obama is not my President" bumper stickers on their gas guzzlers.
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By blogbobJuly 23, 2008 - 12:20amAh yes, were those not the days?
And I got called "traitor" for saying that my President is President Al Gore.
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 23, 2008 - 12:22amSo sorry if Obama is talking
So sorry if Obama is talking about new ideas and new ways of thinking, and McCain just regurgitates the same old shit we've been hearing for the last 7+ years, and the news media chooses to give more air time to Obama.
Lets face it, News is supposed to be just that, "new". There's nothing new in McCain's "stay the course" policies.
-- McCain = Four more years of the same --
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By dtaylo75July 23, 2008 - 10:39amHey Shedd:
Did you see the poll I posted on the other thread? It showed that 79% believed there's a bias towards Obama. Guess who's poll it was? MSNBC's.
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By fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 7:57pmNo I Didn't...
...but the fact that MSNBC, a very leftward leaning news organization, has a poll corroborating Rasmussen, one of the most trusted, accurate, and non-partisan polling organizations in the world, provides even more proof that the Main Stream Media is not only heavily biased to the left but is irrefutably in the tank for Obama because of it.
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By SheddJuly 22, 2008 - 8:01pmGive me the names
Of these "liberals" who secretly control the media. Where do they work and what positions do they hold?
You can't do it, because you are a liar.
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 8:18pmThey can't name people who don't exist.
They're not satisfied with the 80% market share the reich-wing talking heads now hold. They want 100%. No competition, no disagreement, no loss of power or profit.
Orwell would be proud. Or scared shitless at how accurate he turned out to be. If the RepubliCANTs had their way, the entirety of the United States Constitution would be summed up in one NewSpeak word: crimethink.
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By nonexistent manJuly 23, 2008 - 12:14amName the liberals
who own, operate and run MSNBC. You cant do it, can you? You are a liar. You said your statement was irrefutable. I just refuted you. You even lie about your lies.
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By hufflarry2000July 22, 2008 - 10:00pmBy Shedd July 22, 2008 - 8:42pm
Belief Growing That Reporters are Trying to Help Obama Win
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It comes as no surprise that a percentage of Americans would believe in make-belief.
Hell, a percentage of them still believe in an invisible sky pappy...
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By SJerseyIndyJuly 22, 2008 - 8:15pmNot to mention...
That data is nearly two years old. In sociology, that's ancient history. Why, that survey was taken before THIS happened...

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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 8:36pmAs was said above
nobody on the Right was upset when the MSM was crawling up Obama's ass over Reverend Wright.
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By blogbobJuly 23, 2008 - 12:18amSee, the way it works with these leftwingnuts, is
if there is any positive reporting about the right, then it proves there is no bias. I truly believe they can't understand that there are a myriad points of view in the world. They see the world solely through one prism, and truly don't understand why people see things different than they do. That's why they are so hostile.
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By fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 8:10pmPRESIDENT OBAMA
Cry me a river, boy...
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 8:22pmBy fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 9:10pm
got any more dead mercenary jokes for us hatey?
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By f u bush2July 22, 2008 - 9:32pmWhat's black and white and red all over?
A dead mercenary in a Baggy!
What's black and green and red all over?
The same mercenary three days later!
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 23, 2008 - 12:24amBy LiberalIconoclastJuly 23, 2008 - 1:24am
LOL
Nice one!
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By f u bush2July 23, 2008 - 12:32amby fu bush3
Your lies are not a point of view, they are just lies. It is very anti American to post lies about this country like you do. You are just as much of a terrorist and war criminal as Bush and his cronies.
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By hufflarry2000July 22, 2008 - 10:05pmHere's the poll:
Live Vote
Is Democrat Barack Obama unfairly receiving more coverage than Republican John McCain? * 131284 responses
Yes, the media has a liberal bias. No one should be surprised by this.
79%
No, media coverage is based on newsworthiness. McCain is just not as newsy as Obama.
14%
Sometimes, but it's a long campaign. There weren't a lot of McCain complaints during Obama's problems with Rev. Wright.
6.3%
Not a scientific survey. Click to learn more. Results may not total 100% due to rounding.
I will reveal where the poll came from after I hear the leftwingnuts responses.
This Poll was conducted by MSNBC
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By fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 8:12pmBullshit
You and your cock buds at ClownHall packed the survey. Easy to do. BTW, asshole, did you know that according to Internet polls, Bob Dole was winning in 1996 by a landslide? Ever heard of an "unscientific survey?" Most Internet surveys are.
Fucking moron. Just remember the republic landslide you predicted for 2006. Now refresh my memory...what happened again?
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 22, 2008 - 8:20pmHuh!?
Why would the devotees of Townhall, a conservative website, flock to MSNBC, a liberal outlet, when the majority of conservatives wouldn't frequent MSNBC, and, therefore, wouldn't know about the poll? Consequently, how would they "pack the poll?"
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By SheddJuly 22, 2008 - 10:13pmIf MSNBC is so liberal
why cant you name the liberals who own, operate and run it? It is because you are a liar. Do you ever get sick of being made to look like such an uneducated moron?
Townhall is not a conservative website. It is made up of anti american right wing extremists like you. Your politics in no way, shape or form even remotely resemble conservatism.
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By hufflarry2000July 22, 2008 - 10:21pmAre you really that stupid?
Come on. Why do you republitwats come here and try to shut down threads? You and your ClownHall suck buddies think "Operation Couldn't Care Less" is a huge success. We'll see how successful you are this November.
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 23, 2008 - 12:26amWhere's you proof?
I'm glad to know you teach in San Diego. Or near by. Be careful of students with cell phones.
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By fu bush3July 22, 2008 - 11:01pmAre you making terrorist threats?
Are these students going to hurt me or violate my privacy? Maybe I should just report you to the FBI for cyber-terrorism.
Done. You have violated Federal and California law and are in violation of Air America's Acceptable Use Policy.
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 23, 2008 - 1:30amNo, they will be recording teacher's violating they're contracts
with their schools. Teachers are hired to teach, not to indoctrinate. I am sure you are aware of this, as you claim to be a teacher. Students are paying good money to learn the subjects, as described in the course syllabus. A student has a right to record what occurs in the classroom, and to report any violations to the administration. As you are aware, as a teacher, you have various obligations, to the student, the administration, and to the parents, who send their children to your school. Suspected violations of these obligations will be duly recorded and brought to the attention of those who can take steps to correct the problem. Every campus has a Young Republican group, who network among themselves. This is a project they are instituting this fall, on all campuses.
You obviously are an unstable individual. I look forward to seeing your classroom rants being web-cast thru out the land.
Have a nice day.
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By fu bush3July 23, 2008 - 10:20amWhy arent there more right wing teachers?
Because right wingers are too stupid to be teachers. The vast majority of young people are liberals and Democrats. There are very few young Republicans. There is nothing you can do about these things as you are out numbered 2 to 1.
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By hufflarry2000July 23, 2008 - 10:30amBy hatey July 23, 2008 - 11:20am
hatey
We want to wager on how fast you can change your sock puppets.
When the wagering is done will you make three posts, back to back on the same thread from three different sock puppets?
each post should be 10 words long. We are setting the over-under mark at 60 seconds.
Wagering ends in 2 minutes. Could you do it then? Well whenever. We have the time stamps to figure it out.
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By f u bush2July 23, 2008 - 10:34amYou are a criminal
You will be prosecuted for violating the civil rights of any teacher or student who is photographed without consent. And I will defend myself if necessary.
You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 23, 2008 - 10:56amYeah, that sounds like the Young Republicans.
They can't get normal people to buy their bullshit so they resort to intimidation.
Fuckin' snitches.
I've run into these clowns at the nearby campus when I'm selling socialist newspapers. Some have made smart ass comments but they are too chickenshit to back them up.
So is the GOP going to get them their brownshirts, or do they have to provide their own?
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By thaelmann37July 23, 2008 - 12:13pmWell DUH
Privatization is the patriotic thing to do. They must buy their own brown shirts, bibles and crosses.
I am not responding to this "man's" terrorist threats. I have reported him to Federal authorities and to the moderator of this blog. I consider his threat to be serious and you know, I am really concerned for the well-being of my students this fall.
You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 23, 2008 - 12:18pmIt sounds to me like these
It sounds to me like these young republicans are too insecure in their beliefs to hold an honest discussion in a college classroom, so they have to resort to Nazi techniques to try to suppress any thoughts that oppose their own worldviews.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower
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By MichtouJuly 23, 2008 - 12:56pmAnd when will we see videos taken in christian schools and
universities?
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By UffdaguyJuly 23, 2008 - 1:00pmSomething tells me...
That come fall semester, most of these great Crusaders will be too busy drinking cheap beer and trying to buy test answers to do much crusading. In any case, my department chair for one, will not tolerate it and will back me up on any action I choose to take, including tossing the bastards out of my classroom.
You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury
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By LiberalIconoclastJuly 23, 2008 - 4:46pmThere seems to be a calm settling across the nation
People are realizing Bush will be gone soon and their is hope we can start being proud of our nation again.
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By f u bush2July 22, 2008 - 9:55pmMcCain lies thinking he will make Obama look bad