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The Debate: The Crock of Ages and The Straight Balk Express

By Lionel

They say the worst part of a colonoscopy is the bowel prep. The worst part of a presidential debate is the debate prep where news pundits just fill in space with their brilliant moments of augury, where they wax pythonic and read the entrails of the debate/election beast. And this is ceaseless for the entire day.

And then there's post-debate palaver. Did any of you catch Olbermann's tête-à-tête with Chris Matthews? Priceless. And for the life of me, I have no idea what they were talking about. It was the begrudging handoff from the snarky know-it-all to the hyper-salivating self-styled foxhole pol who never fails to make me wish I could just see for a second the pictures that Matthews must have of Capus with some barnyard critter that ensures his position as resident rambler because for the the life of me, I don't know what purpose this guy serves. And while we're at it, a message to "Morning Joe's" Mika, make that Myna (as in the echolalic passerine), Brzezinski: up the meds, please. And one more, please. Who finds the words of Jack Welch, who looks like he survived a botched hanging, the least bit interesting?

And then the "debate" began.

First, the obligatory thanks to everyone at Belmont University where some from the audience provided questions. Where did they find these guys? They looked like the road crew for Jerry Clower. Maybe someone thinks that's endearing. I'd like to meet that person.

And then came Barack. Out of the shoot.

From the first question, Barack was off and running. When asked about the credit crunch fiasco, he laid out a series of plans and goals. Precise, concise, learned. He exuded confidence and was well-possessed of the facts, all to be expected. No gaffes, though he did claim that McCain accuses him of being "green behind the ears." I thought he was channeling Norm Crosby for a moment, but, sure enough, that is an alternate version of "wet behind the ears." At least according to the Urban Dictionary. Then it was Mr. Potter's turn.

Think Herbert, the creepy old codger in "Family Guy." He thanked Obama for joining him in a town hall meeting. You know, "town hall," as in the type of debate he's been asking for. Well, he got his wish. Be careful what you wish for, John.

When it was the Cryptkeeper's turn to address the financial meltdown, he talked about, I swear to God, energy independence, lower taxes and China. Maybe he heard another question. Maybe he heard someone ask him to list the first 10 points of the GOP play book. Because if he thinks the Wall Street debacle and credit crunch is about energy independence, he's lost. Not the election, he is lost. Gone. Untethered from reality. I've heard the various explications of this financial debacle so many times, I can repeat them in my sleep. Mortgage bundling, credit default swaps, subprime mortgages. But China?! Energy independence? Lower taxes? I think it's time to give Johnnie Mac a parting gift, maybe the home version of whatever he showed up to do. He even stated at one point, something to the effect that there were two institutions Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae that most people had never heard of. It was as if he just learned of them himself. He sounded like the usual self-appointed expert for a subject who prefaces his comments with, "It's what we call in the business a . . . ."

I wish instead of using those ridiculous pseudo-scientific audience reaction monitors there could have been a graph of the plummeting DOW. That's what this is about, plain and simple. No one cares about bin Laden or terrorism or Iraq (and that's so sad), it's about our financial system which is disassembling.

Japan's Nikkei is down 10%. Hong Kong at 8%. The Dow sunk 500 points yesterday closing at under 9450. It's lost 1400 points in the last five trading days and plunged 33% over the past year. Retirement accounts have lost two trillion dollars in 15 months. And there he was, the Old Man waxing irrelevant about energy independence.

Folks, it's over. Barring another terrorist attack, Freddie and Johnnie Mac are toast. He appeared old, wizened, tired and spent. There's wise and experienced and then there's hoary and addled by senescence. McCain paced incessantly; Obama stood firm, feet planted and eye-balled his questioner. McCain comes across as tired and out-of-touch and that's just the truth. While Sarah was wowing 'em, you betcha, in my native Flawda, grandpa was trying his best, bless his heart.

Let's look at recent history. P.S., pre-Schmidt, McCain was tanking seriously "like a stone you have picked up and thrown to the heart rock bottom of your heart" (Randy Travis). Then Schmidt and the party elders threw Palin at him to energize the core. She was the election Viagra that allowed his flaccid and gnarled election to be perfused with new blood. (Yuck.) He was riding high. Reverend Wright. Tony Rezko. But now it's the economy, stupid, and all the references to Bill Ayers and domestic terrorism won't cut it.

McCain and Miss Congeniality are simply without the requisite talents and abilities to handle the problems that we and the world now face.

Goodnight, John Boy. Goodnight, Mary Ellen.

Comments

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I like your comments regarding

the crap posing as insight on MSNBC.

Just decided in my Halloween

Just decided in my Halloween costume...

I'm getting a Cryptkeeper Mask and a "Country First" tee-shirt....

-- McCain = Four more years of the same --

if you like it, momo...

then i am required, by logical law, to hate it. because you defend racists and that puts you and I at opposite ends of the sanity spectrum.

I do?

Typical. You must be a neo-com. Always have their facts ass backwards. On the other hand, I have never seen you once say anything about liberalass's, pookies, hufflarry, and the others constant racists remarks. You are either totally ignorant, or a liar.

I do not make racist remarks to you

I would have to consider you a human being to do that. You are nothing but a filthy animal.

Hey, lawn jockey! I'll send your cheap ass a quarter

so you can call some one who MIGHT give a shit!

1-516-WHA-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You are SUCH a punk-ass BITCH!!

By the by, bitch, were's your other sockpuppet Liberal Holocaust? Or is that additional personality of yours still napping on the job? LOL

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

specifically....

liberalholocaust is the racist slime ive seen you defending, his racist comments in recent posts.

im neither a liar nor ignorant, im an umpire. i call em like i see em.

and i've seen you sympathizing with LH's racist comments.

suck it.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

I have never defended that asshole.

So not only are you a lying sack of shit, hatemoron,

but a fucking hypocrite, too. You've never CONDEMNED him, either, which, by YOUR definition, the one YOU throw around here at us, makes you JUST AS GUILTY AS HE FOR THE FILTH THE FILTHY BASTARD FLINGS.

Although, can one defend another of one's distinct personalities? Well, Sybil, can one?

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

Care to tell me to my face, Buckwheat?

Didn't think so, you punk-ass little Crip wanna-be. Take off your do-rag, coward.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Hey liberallunatic

I told you I would be glad to meet with you. I told you I would be in Calif. next week. Just tell me when and where you would like to meet. It will have to be during the day. And you can bring pookie, hufflarry, thaelman, etc with you if you'd like. Being the coward you are, you know, all talk, and what not, I know you'll do as you always have done, you'll huff and you'll puff, but will find some reason to not set a mutually agreed upon time and place. Your a nut. So please make sure you take your meds before we meet. I intend a civil discussion on how best to get you the help you so obviously need.

LMAO - Fuck you, dick head.

There's no way in HELL I would waste MY precious and most valuable time on YOUR sorry ass. Having bamboo shoots jammed under my nails and pins rammed in my eyes while going through 13 hours of childbirth again is an infinitely more enticing and entertaining proposition than meeting your punk ass.

YOU ARE = YOU'RE, illiterate douche bag.

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

APROPOS OF HALLOWEEN

I found John McCain’s performance last night frightening. He made antiquated references that are not going to resonate with anyone under the age of sixty. And that whole gag of beginning each sentence with “My friends” made him come off like some cheap flim-flam man or snake oil salesman. Slimy. And don’t even get me started about calling his opponent “that one.” He may as well have spit in Obama’s face. Disgraceful. Dishonorable. There was one point were he made some sort of joke or something and he came snickering out of his corner, but he was the only one laughing. Creepy. How uncomfortable.

The one time that he did make me laugh was when he “took us back” to the war in Afghanistan, to when we were supporting the “freedom fighters” there. He said we made a big mistake when we walked away after the Russians were driven out. Ummm…yeah…I think the mistake was supporting those rebels in the first place.

The Taliban grew from the forces of the “feedom fighters” because we supported them and gave them weapons, then they created a cruel oligarchy that later turned on us. I would call that a failed policy, wouldn’t you? Osama Bin Laden gained notoriety in the Muslim Extremist world partially due to our support of him during this same episode, then he created and expanded the terrorist network that later turned on us. Failed policy? I would say so.

But McCain’s take on this was proof enough for anyone that he is out of touch, if not delusional, about foreign policy matters. We sure don’t need any more of that.

re: afghanistan

mr. mccain got his afghani info from watching Charlie Wilson's War. That seems to be about his depth of understanding of the situation there. And this (foreign policy) is his strong suit? I'd hate to see his "weak suit".

OYEZ, I did see it... the economy. I think he scared the hell out of even the over 60 crowd when he told the audience we wouldn't be able to ensure (via entitlements) todays worker the way have done the workers of the past.

The "my friendssssss" count was 17. I coulda polished me off a bottle of scotch if I still played the drinking game. Unfortunately I was sober and had to attempt to comprehend his unintelligible babble about how he "knows how to win wars and catch Bin Laden". Hey Johnnie, you might wanna share that secret! If you know how, you could probably win this election with a game changer like that!

How this person ever got to even be a candidate is beyond me. He hasn't the faintest clue what he's talking about 3/4 of the time and the other 1/4 when he does, he's talking about more war, something no one I know has very much stomach for anymore.

I made up my mind months ago but I'm sure that some folks made up their minds last night... to vote for "that one" and ensure the future of the USA rather than to snuff out what little flame the candle has left.

D

Actually, it was a "power vacuam" that

created the conditions for the Taliban to seize power, after the USSR was defeated.

And how was that

"Power Vacaum" created? It couldn`t be form the Reagun`s and Bush`s cut and run policies that they had in the 1980`s.

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Nope. Had nothing to do with clinton's cut and run policies.

Bush and Reagan had no such policy.

Yup, you are one STUPID motherfucker!

Just kill yourself now and put yourself out of your misery! LOL

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

Here's a fork, you cowardly piece of shit

Crash McPhonyAce is DONE.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

You fucking moron, lawn jockey.

It had absolutely nothing with St. Ronny's giving the TALIBAN arms to fight the Russians, then CUTTING & RUNNING from Afghanistan, right, asshole?

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

Your right pookie

It had nothing to do with it, at all. By the way, St. Ronny didn't arm the taliban. Clinton did. When all else fails, blame Ronny. You are one pathetic ignoramus.

LMAO - You give that answer and I'M the ignoramus?

If that's what gets you to sleep at night, porch monkey.

LOL

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

My husband was an MP during

My husband was an MP during the time we considered the Taliban "freedom fighters." Indeed, my cousin who served in Afghanistan in this conflict received the first of Purple Heart from this conflict there, and the weaponry they pulled from his flesh were provided for the Taliban by the good ole US of A.

Here is an article with a fair time line--note the years of Reagan's presidency, as well as Our Father Who Art in Houston.
http://www.fair.org/extra/0201/afghanistan-80s.html

By the time of the Clinton presidency, the Cold War was essentially over, the freedom fighters were a non-issue.

By CeleneOctober 8, 2008 - 2:31pm

Great post and thanks for the link!

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

Language IS everything

I was listening in the previous hour to your comments about clever names and such-- No Child Left Behind. (My internet went down, unfortunately.)

That particular "policy" has an interesting history.

Back when Bush was running for his second term as Governor of Texas, he wanted to be known as The Education Governor. So, he & his advisors came up with a new proposed education policy-- named "The End of Social Promotion"! The basic idea was to replace the classroom teacher's (professional) discretion in deciding which students "passed" to the next grade level, and handing that decision over to a standardized test centrally administered!

Of course, there was an uproar about the proposal. NOT conservative ideology. State interference in the classroom. Taking away the necessary discretionary powers of the classroom teacher. Even Laura, having been a teacher & librarian, didn't approve! (I thought it sounded more like Country Club language than educational policy.)

So, how did W respond. Huddling with his top advisors, he decided to keep the policy, but change it's name. Thus, the birth of NCLB!!!

This all happened in the 1998 campaign and, unfortunately, the media did exactly what they always seem to do...play the role of stenographer, rather than critical reporter.

Needless to say, those of us voting against W-- for a second time-- were in the minority. But, then. that's Texas politics.

That One

When you call someone "that one" it connotes that there is nothing special about them, that they are one of many others, dispensible, replaceable. It also connotes "one of those" which supports the campaign's message that Obama is not one of us, but one of those. It is also a way to objectify someone. It is a sign of disrespect, dismissive of someone's uniqueness, and a way to isolate a person.

So, yes, I was put off when "that one" referred to my candidate that way. I am glad to hear that others caught what he was trying to do and are calling him out on it.

My friends

I must remind everyone here (cuz that’s what this blogin’ is all about. Ego) that I wrote that “I DON’T understand….”retort that Sen Obama came up with last night and of course I was the first to hit the That One note last night.
But surreally folks, I’ve been listenin’ to that MSM ya know to hear what their sayin’ @ last nights debate an all, and they bee talkin’ to some of them “undecided” voters…….I think what The Daily Show had to say last night just @ covers it for me especially the 45%tile bit.
There ya go
I AM THAT ONE

"That One"

To begin with, is disrespectful, especially in the context of a debate. Opponents, although scoffed at, are addressed with respect, just as the terms "my friend" and "my good friend" are used in Congress. Secondly, reference to Senator Obama as "that one" is totally dismissive, which was a theme throughout. Senator McCain began referencing Obama's words and brushed it/him (Obama) aside with a "whatever" it was he (Obama) said, sweeping the air behind him with his hand in a dismissive fashion. McCain made repeated references to not knowing what Obama would say or come up with next in (policy/political) position or just in words. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, was an uncomfortable sense of condecension and dislike, not much different than the use of the term "boy" in addressing an African-American male. Maybe it was just age. Maybe is was mental laziness. But for many...most, it came across as disrespectful at the least, and racist at the worst.

to be fair,

i think what mccain was TRYING to say was "you know which senator voted for it? that one..." i think he just screwed up. but it doesnt matter what was intended... it matters what was perceived and it was not perceived well by anyone I've seen... either the righties are waving it off or the lefties are offended.

but why should we give the fossil the benefit of the doubt anyway? he's a hateful, angry old fucker.

The fat lady is tuning up...

Crash W. is TOAST.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

FANtastic image!

FANtastic image!

Racism Lives

Lawn Jockey....Porch Monkey,,,,,geez, what's next? Pookie, why don't you just come out and call him/her a "n*****"? Such vile and venomous comments. With attitudes like this, the country will never be united.
The way things are going, this may be the brother/sister that you ask if they can spare a dime. Don't be foolish....move on from your evil ways.

It sure does, LionelLover

And hatemoron has brought it on HIMSELF. I've had just enough of his bullshit. He does absolutely nothing but instigate, bait, disrupt, distract, adds absolutely nothing to any discussion and pulls up the old race card when it is painfully obvious he is losing the battle. And my proof of this? The moron's been banned ... FIVE times. And, he's vigorously working towards ban number six. I will only put up with someone's crap for so long - hatemoron's been pushing everyone here for over a year and guess what? I'm not putting up with it. As a matter of fact, I think I speak for many here that hatemoron has brought much of the discourse and much of the venom on himself.

Give me a REASONABLE person and I will be reasonable; give me a douche bag, then I'll simply ensure said douche bag is fully aware that ... THEY ARE A DOUCHE BAG.

Have a nice day.

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

SIGH

I just think it's sad. I wasn't trying to offend anyone. I just wish we could ease up on each other at times. I too am guilty of being a bit abrasive but like yourself, I'm provoked.

Have a great day!:-)

I hear you and no offense taken!

I'd love to ease up on people as well but there are times when one can only be pushed so far. If you'll notice, hatemoron's one of the few trolls who is the recipient of most of our disdain here. But he sure as hell let's us know his disdain for us. But that's okay, ignorants like hatey are in the minority.

Right back at ya! ;-D

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

Your wrong.

I just express my point of view. You get frustrated, and start with the racist remarks. And playing the race card is NOT calling a racist, RACIST. (which, by the way, you are.)

LMAO - No point in backpedaling there, sparky.

You are EXPOSED, you are DONE, pussy boy (which, by the way, you are).

Now, go tuck that microscopic penis of yours back between your legs and git goin' on the rich, white man's lawn.

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

And for FUCKSSAKE, it is YOU ARE = YOU'RE

Again, you are one STOOPID mother fucker, jockey.

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

In as much as

I would normally be loathe to support such vitriol, pook does indeed speak for many when she points out the hate mongering that comes from some of these posters. I can also agree wholeheartedly w/huffy that we all, on the left, need to grow a pair and tell it like is. We can make Democracy coexist w/capitalism. Even IF it is just an ideal at this point, it is the highest of ideals and we should NEVER stop striving towards it>

DAMMIT! ;-)

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

well we all know

here that I'm in love w/pook and the roadgoddess.
This is why. Stand and deliver!
or as Harry Truman put it
I tell the truth and they think it's hell

Right back at ya, justintyme! xD

"She's Cheney in drag." Me

Of all the nescient nonsense

Of all the nescient nonsense this poster has spewed, why single out the one thing he really can't help? I richly understand the anger you feel at those posts, but the racist comments overwhelm what might otherwise be good points.

by lionellover

I do not want to be united with a scumbag and scumbags like him. People like him would stab you in the back and think nothing of it. Momo is a convicted welfare cheat who spent a year in prison for stealing money from children! Is that the kind of person you want in this society and call a brother? All he does here is post lies about America and it's citizens. He despises America and the American way of life because of the poor life choices he has made. He is the typical right wing nutcase who blames his failures on others.

Grow a spine and dont be so naive. People like you make all liberals look weak.

Now see......

hufflarry....I don't recall asking you a damned thing! And as far as me growing a spine....I'll show you a spine, alright! You don't know me. Therefore, who the hell are you to pass judgement and make a psycobabble assumption?!?!?!?!
Now....if you're feelin froggish, please feel free to leap. I didn't direct my post to you! So.....leave me the hell alone!
Btw....you take pride in being labeled as a "liberal"? Wow.....that Nancy Pelosi's been doing a great job these days, eh?
STFU!

Like I said

it is namby pamby "liberals" like you is why we lose all the time. I dont give a fuck if you were talking to me or not. I was talking to you, fuck head. Your pitiful "why cant we all get along" post was all I need to know about you. Grow a set.

LMAO

Hufflarry...your mother swallowing you would've been too good for you. She should've let you slide down her leg, dead ringer for the shower drain. You fuckin asswipe!
I don't have any balls because I want to keep peace!!? You're out of your fuckin tree, dickweed!
Eat shit and die slowly!
And by all means....have a delightful evening, Twinkie.

Good plan idiot

You want to keep peace with a bunch of warmongering right wing extremist Republicans? Well, you go ahead. I will fight these filthy animals tooth and nail to save my country.

respectfully agree... and disagree

hey, im with you on the militant tip, but when you call ANYONE a porch monkey you have officially crossed the line.

racist comments from either side are unnecessary and show ignorance.

please dont make me defend that douchebag, i dislike doing that, but I'm not gonna sit there and watch someone be called a porch monkey, I don't care how right wing or republican they are.

fuck that shit. that's NOT what we're about. tell it like it is but leave the racism, sexism, etc. out of it. the facts will do nicely on their own and thankfully, favor us. lets stick to them.

and if we have to punch some asshole in the face now and then, so be it.

I agree

and I never use racist insults. But I understand why pookie does with the names he calls her for no reason. He started it long ago. I cant believe she holds back as much as she does.

well, i agree

liberal holocaust and momofuku are fucktards from the 9th level of hell, but stooping to the racist comments does nothing but bring you over to their side... in fact, they want that because it makes it easy to point the finger and say "see, you're a base subhuman too!"

don't let anyone drag that ugly part of you out. no one can do so without your own consent, pookie. I support you but leave the racist comments out or you are as bad as they are.

D

Hear, hear. The

Hear, hear. The neoconservative MO is to appeal to the lowest common denominator, because that's all they're capable of leading. We have to do better; it doesn't mean that we cannot have robust discussion, but racist comments aren't illustrative of how tough we are, only how weak.

see above

another sockie exposed
(hey put that thing away!!!!!)

LL

is one of hatey's puppets.

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