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.. and we've got a great show lined up for you. As well as Rachel's take on today's news and a humdinger of a burying the lead, we'll be joined in studio by Tony Gerber one of the filmmakers behind "Full Battle Rattle," a surreal and insightful film about "Virtual Iraq," thirteen "iraqi" villages created in the Mojave desert in California where US soldiers do their final training before heading out to the theatre of war. The Rachel Maddow Show's political guru, David Bender, host of Politically Direct with David Bender, joins Maddow live to discuss one of The Maddster's greatest conspiracy theories, which looks like it just might be true, all this, and one man's quest to fly from Oregon to Idaho ...in an armchair. Join us!
- July 3, 2008








Glad she's on today
I'm glad to have "The Maddster" back.
As for Race to the White House, it had Rachel as a panelist, but Joe Scarborough as the host. That's like giving me the heroin that I so badly need, but putting it at the bottom of a bag filled with broken glass.
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By Jason M. BryantJuly 3, 2008 - 5:13pmRace to the Whitehouse
Just watched that last segment of Race to the Whitehouse where Scarborough, et. al opened a can of conservative Obama-parsing whoop-ass on RM. Ms. Maddow as usual deftly side-stepped the hackneyed monniker of knee-jerk liberal and tried to inject facts -- difficult to do in the 'sound-bite' zone.
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By Plummie2July 3, 2008 - 5:38pmI think It's more like ...
Feeding me lobster and filet mignon and for dessert a wonderful chocolate pudding that's laced with exlax. Not good to do on a regular basis.
Joe is an unprofessional jerk. Could you imagine David Gregory telling Rachel that she's got the Hillary Clinton cackle down? Joe, at least try to hide your hatred of Rachel.
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By VinnyBoombatzJuly 4, 2008 - 8:24amGo Rachel!
I appreciate your intelligence and am sorry you have to be on with the clueless group today! I like to see you as host, but also where you can argue for reason. Also love you on Keith's show. We need a journalist to fight the "entertainment" people on the news.
Thanks for pointing out the Obama consistency. I am a teacher and used nuance as a vocabulary word in summer school last week. I am tired of people who are so used to the second-grade-level responses of Cheney and Bush (so?) that they can't LISTEN to what an intelligent person is saying.
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By not this timeJuly 3, 2008 - 5:31pmScarborough
Why do you keep going on Race when Scarborough is there? It's obvious you two clash, not to mention he is an insolent pig. Is being degraded on MSNBC worth that much to your career?
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By JinnRikkiJuly 3, 2008 - 5:31pmbeing degraded sucks
But proving an ability to maintain dignity in the face of somebody who's trying to degrade you -- that's worth pure gold to a career in media.
Remember what Eleanor R. didn't quite say: Nobody can degrade you without your consent.
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By palepinkJuly 5, 2008 - 4:52amRace to the White House = Scarborough
Rachel! I am listening to Race for the Whitehouse right now and this is MADDENING! I am listening to you try and make a point all the while Joe is trying to beat you up claiming you can't speak english. This is a load of crap considering when you end up hosting you make sure everyone has their say.
Basically it's just upsetting because I am just done with right wing trash talk.
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By ExileOCJuly 3, 2008 - 5:32pmAAARRRGGGGGGHHHHH
I can't STAND that self-righteous, pompous PIG, SCARBOROUGH.
Rachel.. I know YOU couldn't scream at the jerk on the show.. but please know that *I* (and I am sure thousands and thousands of others) WERE screaming at him to:
SHUT the friggin' UP.
You are absolutely CORRECT.. and Joe the Jerk is WRONG!
Okay.. I feel better now..
Back to making dinner for my honey.
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By Athena1955July 3, 2008 - 5:32pmJoe is a punk.
I so agree with you. Joe is no match for Rachel and he doesn't know how to deal with that fact.
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By OmazingoJuly 3, 2008 - 6:29pmjust don't mention Lori Klausutis around him
Or if you do - be sure to stay away from any blunt objects with which you might bludgeon yourself.
alright - a link: http://www.larryflynt.com/notebook.php?id=17
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By zoomJuly 6, 2008 - 7:00pmSince today I officially HATE Scarborough
What a sexist pig! He used the same sexism used against Clinton. Rachel was laughing at him as they disagreed (granted, this could be seen as a provocation), and then he said to her, "Rachel, you may like Obama, but you got the Clinton cackle down."
What a jerk. What a perffessional way of working. Why are all commentators on the right so nasty?
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By cool_princessieJuly 3, 2008 - 5:33pmJerk is way too nice a term for this guy...
Some of Scarborough's comments were sexist but that term doesn't even start to describe why his comments offended me and shows that MSNBC's continued utilization of him betrays a severe lack of judgment (especially when someone booked Joe with three right of center panelists to gang up against Ms. Maddow.
Rachel Maddow is one of the most intelligent, poignant and honest journalists in the world (of either sex) and the people who are lucky and/or smart enough to hear her radio show every day can bear witness to that fact.
There's almost no one who's willing to tell it like it is and ask the hard questions like her without the all too common "he who speaks louder is right and she who speaks loud is a bitch" right wing journalistic style that has gotten all to common since the advent of Faux News.
Comments like Joe Scumbucket's are commonplace on farsical pseudo-news channels like Fox, but they have absolutely no place on a trusted media outlet such as MSNBC.
Rachel deserves her own show as it is, but either way... NO journalist, especially one of her caliber, deserves the impolite and unprofessional treatment she received on Thursday's show.
Let Joe be a douchebag on FauxNews if he wants but whatever he does, don't let him back on MSNBC ever again!
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By ProgressiveinBerlinJuly 4, 2008 - 8:24amScarborough the Bully
I know Rachel is at MSNBC's mercy if she wants to be on the TV machine, but can she not request a pass if the Scar-bully is the host? Rachel wipes the floor when she and bully-boy are RFTWH guests, but he clearly uses the host chair to revenge being out"smart"ed on those other occassions. He's not bright, but obviously a thug.
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By detepeJuly 3, 2008 - 5:41pmCackle? Puh-lease
How can they let that guy host anything - let alone a nighttime news show. I find the MSNBC shows much more interesting when you are hosting.
I don't think that he is humiliating you. I love when you laugh at JS - he IS laughable. Someone should reign him in though. Even when David is hosting and Joe and you are on the panel he is always talking over you. What a dolt.
Keep up the good work, and after seeing you on MSNBC this week I will be tuning into your radio show (I have never heard it before).
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By Brains McGurkJuly 3, 2008 - 5:41pmRachel, I just have to say
That you are incredibly brave. The way Scarborough treated you was just dismissive and rude. I don't comment here, but I had to let you know that I was rooting for you. I would have walked off with a big fat FU, but then I remembered what a baby J Scar looked like when he did that to you.
Good on ya for sticking to your guns. You came out as the adult in that clusterf**k.
For every "Limousine Liberal" running around Hollywood, there are 10 "Corporate Jet Conservatives" ruining our country.
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By paddykraskaJuly 3, 2008 - 5:43pmDitto!
Glad to still hear Rachel's voice. You go girl!
The truth is that you have to have a very thick skin to be in that kind of bidnez. I am glad Rachel appears to have it.
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By cool_princessieJuly 3, 2008 - 5:47pmI just watched "Inside the
I just watched "Inside the War Room" with host Joe Scarborough and saw you on there. I was so outraged at what I saw that I felt compelled to registered and comment. He was so unprofessional that it was awkward. You could even see it in the faces/eyes of the other panelists, especially when he told everyone to raise their hand if they agree with you.
I've never liked Joe Scarborough. Every time he is missing from Morning Joe and Mika hosts, I find the show that much better. So much so that I hope they kick off Joe and just let Mika and Pat Buchanan host.
And that comment he made about the Clinton cackle really put me over the edge. MSNBC should get rid of him. He sucks at what he does, he's unprofessional, and is totally biased. He always gets mad when people disagree with him. You can't have a decent conversation with him. I don't understand why MSNBC keeps giving him programs.
I really hope that Joe gets whats coming to him. What the hell did he ever accomplish in Congress?
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By donatorJuly 3, 2008 - 5:50pmI agree about Morning Joe. I
I agree about Morning Joe. I only watch it through clips on MSNBC.com, and it is vastly better without Joe. I'm not particularly a fan of Mika's, but the show just runs better when she's in charge.
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By Jason M. BryantJuly 3, 2008 - 5:51pmScarborough is a Pig
I can't STAND that self-righteous, pompous PIG, SCARBOROUGH.
Rachel.. thank God for you - I love the way you try to set the record straight.
PS where is Ed Schultz?
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By Rosemary KrollmanJuly 3, 2008 - 5:47pmSince Joe insists on calling you "Mad-DOWW"...
...why not return the "compliment" and call him "Scar-bor-OWJ-uh"?
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."--Pete Townsend
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By capn_crustyJuly 3, 2008 - 5:47pmWell, because
the correct pronunciation is SCAB-rous.
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By palepinkJuly 3, 2008 - 6:02pmAlso...
..."Scumbaggo" works, too.
:cheese:
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By capn_crustyJuly 3, 2008 - 6:11pmOk, so was Bender reading this before his appearance
or does his mind just work like mine?
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By palepinkJuly 5, 2008 - 4:53amScarbrough
He is a total ASS and I both called and emailed Race for the White House in support of Rachel. How dare they demean her in that way. I am outraged. I encourage everyone reading this post to do the same. Call 212-664-3499 since it the viewer comment line for MSNBC. This number is different than the one on the comment page of RFTWH.
Joe must GO!
Hang in there, Rachel. By the way, my mother also wrote and called.
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By 3dogownedJuly 3, 2008 - 5:48pmThank you
It's been done!
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By cool_princessieJuly 3, 2008 - 6:25pmNo flip flop here
1st THANK YOU for pointing out that Obama has had this position all along... if only people would educate themselves they'd know this.
2nd the Clinton cackle comment was awful... and not true.
Note to people out there, for us in the 'middle' "Change" does not mean a new party in the White House, "Change" means leaving behind this partisan crap that has had the country in neutral for the past 15 years.
- Obamican
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By happycamprJuly 3, 2008 - 5:48pmScarborough needs a geography lesson
This is my first time listening to AA on iTunes, and I was surprised to tune into of all people Joe Scarborough. I actually thought for a minute that something was wrong with iTunes and I was listening to a different channel.
Anyway, that isn't what compelled me to write. What did was when Joe said that McCain and Jeb are in "South America" right now.... and then proceeded to say that they were in Mexico. Mexico is not on the continent of South America, it is, surprise, on North America! That's basic geography, dude.
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By dmoutsopJuly 3, 2008 - 5:56pmAnd now for something completely different...
...I think this is the character Vanessa's intro is referring to: http://www.kval.com/news/local/22849179.html Film, too!
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By capn_crustyJuly 3, 2008 - 5:52pmRe: Rachel on RFTWH
Excellent comments from the group. May I suggest you forward your thoughts to MSNBC. This segment with Joe Scarborough is not about lib v dem it is about a level of professional courtesy and basic civility when lstening to another's viewpoint -- yes, even if it is different from your own.
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By Plummie2July 3, 2008 - 5:53pmAs someone has pointed out,
As someone has pointed out, you can call 212-664-3499 for the MSNBC viewer comment line to voice your outrage or you can go to:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23598392 to write and send feedback.
But why not do both? Joe really went overboard this time. Getting rid of Tucker Carlson was the first step. Now we need to get rid of Joe.
It's not about liberals vs conservatives, it's about decency.
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By donatorJuly 3, 2008 - 6:00pmWhy do I punish myself so with Joe?
Ah, finally a place I can post this, since I can't find a damn link to MSNBC that will allow me to rant to anyone who might care.
I have been "inspired" to post comments (for the first time) TWICE on balloonjuice today, both re. Scarborough! Here is tonight's thread. I commented in real time literally as Joe was attempting, once again, to mock and silence Rachel:
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=10765
Laura W Says:
I am hyperventilating wondering how I can call MSNBC and insist they fire Joe the Pompous Bully. As I type he is (again) attempting to ridicule, mock, humiliate and SILENCE Rachel Maddow. She, who is normally cool and gracious, has just rolled her eyes and looked down on camera. I wish there was something “we” could do about him in terms of getting MSNBC to can his ass. It’s not enough he bullies people on his own show for three hours…he sits in on another person’s show and shits all over it.
Now she is laughing at him and he just told her she had the Clinton cackle down good. I can’t believe she didn’t walk off. Maybe she will now that they have cut to commercial.
Can someone please tell me who I can write or call about this. I’m done with MSNBC. All of the shows.
I need another drink. This makes me sick.
I emailed Gregory the night his show debuted and told him if he insisted upon having JS as a guest I would stop watching. Now I mean it. The only MSNBC show I am going to watch is Keith O, until Rachel gets her own show, or if she is hosting another show. As sick as it makes me, I will be forced to go back to CNN. Or maybe some nice, relaxing, adult music instead, huh?
Rachel...your class and grace (even if faked in the moment of probable extreme emotional triggering) are an inspiration. I don't have 1/10th your ability to persevere in the face of ignorant and hateful little boy/men. Persist and know hope. We all await the day he is finally fired.
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By LauraWJuly 3, 2008 - 6:05pmYou can e-mail MSNBC with your Complaint
Send your excellent comments to letters@msnbc.com
On the re: line put TO THE EDITORS.
Let them know your displeasure at Scarborough's unprofessional and very rude behavior. Panelists don't go on that show to be insulted by this arrogant windbag.
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By MarceeJuly 3, 2008 - 11:54pmRace for the whitehouse
I watched today and was shocked at how absolutely insulting Joe was to Rachel.
If you were too, you can call 212 664-3499 ..(viewer services) and tell them that the last time anybody gangs up on a panelist by a show of hands, that you will switch off!
What are we in kindergarten???
Joe couldn't take Rachel's views so he had to make it personal and tell her she's got the "Clinton cackle down" ... just to make it personal.
Today's show reminds me why I turn off Morning Joe when he does show up to host it.
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By kimjackJuly 3, 2008 - 6:09pmKimJack
I'm so with you on Morning Joe. Whenever Joe is not there and Mika hosts, the show is much more enjoyable. It's lighthearted, but still deep and the news gets covered. Even Pat Buchanan seems to enjoy his time there more when Joe isn't there.
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By donatorJuly 3, 2008 - 6:13pmScarborough
Rachel, It must be very difficult for Joe to have to contend with two dynamite ladies as Mika and you! He does have the ability to rub people the wrong way and I hope you do not return as his panel member. Stick to Keith...........you, Mika and Keith rock!
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By golarsonJuly 3, 2008 - 6:18pmJoe, give it UP. The Maddow got you beat.
Rachel, why is it that you don’t correct Joe SCARY-borough when he says your name incorrectly? He’s such an asshole. I believe he’s been waiting for this day to get back at you for that nice can of whop ass you gave him a while back. Wait. You always shut him up good. Still, he’s no match for you, lady. Oh and I loved, LOVED the way you laughed at him. Yeah, I was laughing with you, too.
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By OmazingoJuly 3, 2008 - 6:24pmI can see Joe Scarborough's point
I don't like Joe Scarborough. I don't want to watch him on any TV show. However, I do see his point.
In the debate, the moderator read a statement from an Obama surrogate. The statement said "16 months, at the most." When asked if he agreed with that, Obama said, "Because the Commander in Chief sets the parameters of the mission."
Now, I can see how that doesn't directly contradict his current statements. He didn't directly say yes or no to the question. However, listening to that statement at the time, it really sounded like he was agreeing with what his surrogate had said.
There's always wiggle room, but one of Obama's top surrogates said specifically that his policy was to get the soldiers out in 16 months. Obama's statement sounded like he was explaining why that is his policy. It does feel like he was crafting his statement in a way to imply that he agreed but still leave himself some wiggle room.
Again, I don't like Scarborough and I don't want to see him hosting RttWH again. But I think he had a valid point.
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By Jason M. BryantJuly 3, 2008 - 7:04pmThat doesn't justify sexism
Any time you refer to a woman's laughter as cackle you are being insulted. This comes from a sad history where women were not supposed to be heard, and they had to sit down, be quiet and nice.
With the cackle comment he insulted Clinton, Maddow and me....
When I was in college taking philosophy I learned that when a debater resorts to personal attacks like Scab-bag-ouhh did is a signal that the debater has lost. There are no more arguments on one's favor so personal attacks are the only thing left.
Did he have a point? Maybe. But he could have been more refined on air.
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By cool_princessieJuly 3, 2008 - 7:13pmWell...
Scarborough is a complete jerk, but I disagree that this is sexism. I don't think he was being sexist. I think he was being a jerk.
Hillary Clinton does sometimes laugh in a very off putting way. A way that is easy to make fun of and call a cackle.
So does John McCain. Rachel herself has made fun of McCain's laugh many times. Jon Stewart makes fun of the Bush cackle on a regular basis. Maybe not everybody would call them "cackles", but they make fun of the laugh with impressions and insulting descriptions and they're totally justified! Clinton, McCain, and Bush have all laughed in ways that are worth laughing at.
Scarborough was definitely being a jerk. Complete and total jerk. But I've seen him be a jerk to men and I think he's an equal opportunity asshole.
It may seem like I'm splitting hairs, but I think there's an important distinction. I have become a fan of Dr. Maddow's during this election. One of the big things that won me over was seeing her sitting next to Geraldine Ferraro and saying "Really?" when Ferraro said that Obama was "terribly sexist." Ferraro said that Obama was dismissive to Clinton, Maddow said no, he was just beating her.
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By Jason M. BryantJuly 3, 2008 - 8:02pmJoe's 'point' is to spin and obscure the real POINT of the topic
His 'point' was designed to spin the issue, which, as Rachel said, has no merit given the campaigns repeated statements throughout the primaries that it would set the mission of 16 months AND take in military brass input as to any necessary changes.
The spin here is that Obama is now suddenly a conniving politician who is shifting with the political wind. In the case of Iraq, if you look at the statements from the campaign throughout the primaries, you can see that Obama has held this same position all along. I agree with Rachel - he's always been a centrist!
Hmmm, why would Joe want to paint Obama as a crass politician, and demote him from the authentic/genuine community-minded guy of the primaries? Not oddly enough, that's exactly what the McCain camp line is about Obama this week.
Joe farted on national TV, and Rachel waved away the stink.
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By CBDJuly 3, 2008 - 9:30pmSo being sexist is not being a jerk?
Hey Jason,
I see what you mean, but this is what you are missing: the word. When was it that you saw a man's laugh being dubbed as a cackle? That is a word used explicitly to put women down. So yeah, Steward can make fun of Dubya's laugh, heh heh, but I never heard him describe it as a cackle, nor are men's voices described as shrill. You know, there are certain ways in which you can insult a person. You can do it by insulting ONLY that person -- such as calling Scab-bag-o a jerk. Or you can insult a person by insulting the group to which the person belongs to -- such as making a class-wide derogatory remark.
On one thing we agree. Jerk and sexist are not ALWAYS the same thing. Not all jerks are sexists. But all sexists are jerks.
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By cool_princessieJuly 4, 2008 - 9:55pmCacklely Do
Ever hear Clay Aiken Laugh? Cackle.
She laughed in the guy's face and he reacted. Stop being so overly sensitive with the sexist remarks. I don't think any debate team would endorse just laughing at someone when you can't make your point otherwise. So he lashed back a bit. I thought it was funny and my dad laughed is ass off when Joe said it. Grow up and take it.
Love,
HR
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By Half RepublicanJuly 7, 2008 - 2:42pmGrow up and take WHAT?
She wasn't laughing AT Scarborough.. she was obviously laughing out of frustration that he, and the others on that panel, kept repeating the same bullpucky.. even in the face of obvious evidence to the contrary.
There is a big difference between laughing as a form of ridicule and laughing in frustration.
If Joe really resorted to juvenile name calling because he though RM was laughing AT him, then HE is the one who needs to "grow up and take it".
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By Athena1955July 7, 2008 - 4:06pmWhich proves...
...that you and your dad are sexists pigs.
It is simply shocking to me that this needs to be explained. You can say whatever you want about Aiken. The word cackle is a gender-based put down. Had she been black and had he used the "n" word, no one would be questioning his racism. Sadly, misogyny is SO ingrained in our society that people like you need explanation... should I draw it for you sweetheart?
What you are missing the point is that he could have used a more refined way to address the situation than to resort to name-calling. And sexist name-calling at that.
You know, you call yourself Half Republican, but that is simply code for Half Witted. Why else would you hang out here and not at a Fix News post???
Can YOU grow up and take it?
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By cool_princessieJuly 7, 2008 - 4:17pmEasy there princessie
I'm a chick. This is not analogous at all to the n word. I think you need to read about places where there is real hatred of women before you whine about the word cackle. Both of them could have been more professional, but this was funnier.
I think your bra's on too tight.
Love,
HR
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By Half RepublicanJuly 7, 2008 - 7:34pmYou hide behind your ovaries?
Being a chick doesn't mean you aren't sexist, dollface.
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By palepinkJuly 7, 2008 - 9:17pmHuh?
Behind my boobies maybe. Are you one of those womyn types with the hairy armpits?
Ewwww.
HR
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By Half RepublicanJuly 7, 2008 - 9:36pmWhoa ... back that up again
Interlocutor: Do you agree that the troops should be out in 16 months?
Obama: Because the C-in-C sets the parameters of the mission.
Jason, if that's really what happened, I can't see how he sounded like he was agreeing with anything. If that's not what really happened, I'm having trouble following your assertion about Scabrous' point being valid.
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By palepinkJuly 3, 2008 - 7:25pmI have video to help the conversation
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25521355#25521355
The question is at about 4:25 into this.
David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager, said that Obama would pull all the troops out within 16 months and "there should be no confusion about that." So the question wasn't just whether or not Obama agrees. One of the Obama's highest surrogates said that this was his position and Obama was asked if that was correct.
Obama did not say yes, but he didn't say no. Instead he descirbed why that was a perfectly reasonable policy. I believed at the time that Obama was saying that we'd be out in 16 months and I don't think it was my mistake in misunderstanding him.
Again, Scarborough = asshole. I am in no way agreeing with the way he treats people. However, he's got a point in this particular case. He's the clock that happens to be right twice a day.
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By Jason M. BryantJuly 3, 2008 - 7:39pmDeath of The Clown
Bozo dies: http://www.kval.com/news/national/22874929.html
<:(
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By capn_crustyJuly 3, 2008 - 7:07pmWhat will we lose exactly?
Regarding Obama's statement about his position on FISA... What exactly would we lose if they did not pass that wretched thing? Is it really an either or?
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By the_captainJuly 3, 2008 - 7:59pmTelecom stuff
My understanding is that we would lose a tool of last resort. That is, if we get trapped in some kind of wrongful espionage ring, we would not be able to sue the telecoms for implicating us. Therefore, it would be even harder to clear one's name in case of error.
In my view it is kind of wrongful death. You won't bring the person back, nor will you get whomever killed him or her in jail, but you can at least argue for some form of restitution for having been hurt.
And if you win, there is the possibility that the money can help you get your life back.
At least that is my understanding. I'm not 100% sure, so I may be wrong.
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By cool_princessieJuly 3, 2008 - 8:04pmno...
that's what we lose if it *does* pass, not if it doesn't.
I don't know what the cost of not renewing FISA is in policy terms -- I guess we all know what it is in political terms.
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By palepinkJuly 3, 2008 - 10:38pmThat's what I meant...
... what we "would" lose. Thank you for clarifying.
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By cool_princessieJuly 4, 2008 - 9:59pmWhat Obama thinks we would lose (policywise)
I'm getting a clearer picture from this analysis:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/07/02/obama_fisa/index.html
and this discussion of it:
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/nsa_spying_/2008/07/obama_and_fisas_mo...
And if you scroll down to the first update on Greenwald's piece, you'll find that he's not convinced that we have anything to lose politically, either.
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By palepinkJuly 5, 2008 - 3:25amrace...
i don't watch all that often, but i've been listening since the beginning. sometimes i had to look high and low. sometimes i found RM, sometimes she was just gone. now i know where to find her. i don't watch every night, however, i gotta laugh. Joe's despise for Rachel just because she exists in his life, is about to come out his ears. and i don't want to miss it when it happens.
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By owlhowlJuly 3, 2008 - 8:35pmSHOW OF HANDS??!!
You know, when he did that last night, I cringed, and had the thought - I'm glad Rachel isn't on tonight to have to participate in that kind of inanity - I thought the whole show of hands bit was a new low, even for Joe, and would make a great Jon Stewart sketch about inane punditry.
So when he went for it again tonight, my jaw dropped. Its so disgusting, and ridiculous. And he's wrong. Throughout the primaries, I noted to myself Obama's centrist language regarding the Iraq war.
Yes, Rachel, I am so happy that the nation has your hosting to compare and contrast, and that Joe did these idiotic things just after you so deftly conducted both Race and Countdown this week.
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By CBDJuly 3, 2008 - 9:11pmRace To The White House
Wow! Rachel, you are one of my absolute favorite political analysts.
How you held it together under the conservative attack machine, God only knows. I was seething for you!!! What Scarborough did was uncalled for and highly unprofessional.
Kudos to you for your poise and professionalism :-D
Best Regards,
Sierra L.
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By SierraLJuly 3, 2008 - 9:41pmMy comment to MSNBC re: RftWH
I was appalled at the way that Joe Scarborough treated Rachel Maddow on this evening's show. If that bully had treated me that way he would be lucky not to be punched in that nasty, abusive mouth.
This wasn't about liberal v. conservative.. this was about his complete lack of courtesy. Hell, he doesn't even have the common courtesy to pronounce her NAME correctly!!
I would hope that you NEVER AGAIN allow Scarborough to host or guest on that show. And.. I also believe a public apology from him to Dr. Maddow would be in order.
I know that Joe has a new baby at home.. and that his child has had a tough start having being born premature.. BUT.. that doesn't give Joe the excuse to act like a BIG BABY himself.
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By Athena1955July 3, 2008 - 10:00pmDid Anyone Notice...
During the 3 Questions segment, ol' Joe actually started kissing up to Rachel - the PIG!! LOL!!
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By SierraLJuly 3, 2008 - 10:27pmI did
I thought that he was throwing her a bone after being suck a jerk to her. It made me laugh....
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By cool_princessieJuly 4, 2008 - 10:01pmScarborough is at it again!
Rachel:
You are a true pro enduring the sarcasm and shabby treatment of Joe Scarborough, once again, on tonight's Race for the White House. He is an absolutely terrible host who talks more than the panelists. You and David Gregory serve as smart, fast-paced hosts who listen to the panelists and value their diverse points of view. Scarborough is an intrusive figure stepping on panelists' lines, contradicting panelists in his arrogant manner. Scarborough is transparent in his dislike of you. I sent the following to the Huffington Post who was quick to discuss the April "dust up" and show Scarborough for the bully he was when he walked off the set in April. You are a true professional with smarts and wit.
TO: Huffington Post
Would someone in MEDIA please review Joe Scarborough's unbelievably rude treatment, (yes, once again,) of Rachel Maddow on today's Race for the White House where Scarborough substituted for David Gregory? My husband and I hoped he had improved his manners since his walk off on the same show last April when Maddow said something then he didn't like. After a contentious segment tonight (7/3/08) on Obama's Iraq position where Scarborough and Maddow strongly disagreed with one another, Scarborough concluded the segment (where Rachel tried to laugh light heartedly over their strong disagreement) with the final sarcastic line, "You've got the Clinton cackle down, Rachel; I'm proud of you." Scarborough is absolutely transparent in his dislike of Maddow and can't help but respond in his usual passive aggressive fashion. The fact that this cable news show is simultaneously broadcast on Air America leaves me to believe there will be some other dismayed Maddow supporters who feel Scarborough is, once again, out of line. The guy can't leave his big feelings and oversized ego at the door especially when Maddow persists in making her strong argument and doesn’t succumb to Joe’s sarcasm. Rachel, of course, was courteous, professional and smiling throughout never stooping to Scarborough's level.
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By MarceeJuly 3, 2008 - 11:23pmhe's a little.
i really dig Rachel.
But, Joe just hates her guts. you can feel it and see it. hell, he doesn't try to hide it.
he's a little scary.
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By owlhowlJuly 4, 2008 - 12:30amSee Huffington Post Comments on the Scarborough Tussle
See Huffington Post blog and comment on Race for the White House episode
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marcia-g-yerman/joe-scarborough-disses-ra_...
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By MarceeJuly 4, 2008 - 1:50amElect Joe Scumborough for "Biggest douchebag not on Foxnews"
A show of hands please how many of you think Joe Scumbucket has solidified his position of Biggest douchebag on tv (outside of Fox of course).
He has now made it clear why they've been phasing him out of his own show. It's so obvious that they started calling it morning joe right around the time all of the other people on the show couldn't even try to hide their disdain for him.
He's making Pat Buchanon (the new one of course... I'm glad the old version disappeared) look like an elder statesman... Jimmy Carter even.
FIRE HIM!!!
He doesn't deserve his own television show unless he makes the walk of shame to FauxNews.
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By ProgressiveinBerlinJuly 4, 2008 - 5:42amand...
YES!
Blankly (and Scumbucket's) dignity was taken out in the (claim about the) edit.
Obama's yes wasn't because he never said yes.
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By ProgressiveinBerlinJuly 4, 2008 - 6:02amObama Turning Right
Why in the world is Obama throwing out the 4th Amendment, by giving the telecom creeps immunity?
I've discarded the Quislings Verizon as my long distance carrier, because of the CEOs cowardly giving up of my long distance records, WITHOUT EVEN A COURT FIGHT.
Now how can I get local service in Boston without using Verizon?
Much appreciate that finally Rachel has been recognized nationally.
Now, if Stephanie Miller would just quit being afraid of showing her high I.Q. and stop being so silly when she's on national TV, she'd get her promotion as well.
Now they use her just for comic relief.
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By alicecbrownJuly 4, 2008 - 7:18amGee, whiz, Rachel
Would you please quit calling me, "The Left"? I'm not "The Left", I'm a liberal, and that makes me the center.
And yes, Obama did flip-flop on FISA. He hasn't promised much, but he did promise to filibuster telecom immunity.
There's no doubt in my mind that not only did he flip on this, but that it never would have come to the floor if he'd let the leadership know he would fight them on it for real.
And you really ought to call JoeScar out on the fact that he can't pronounce a simple word like "Democrat". He needs to be slapped down for continuing to call us "Dimmicrats". That's disgusting.
You've been hanging out with a bad crowd, and its affected your perspective.
AC
More liberal media at The Sideshow.
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By AvedonJuly 4, 2008 - 8:59amJoe Scarred-borough
The remarks Mr Scarborough has made on Morning Joe I have tried to discard, as to, that is his show and he is allowed a forum to give his opinion. He was off the show for awhile and Mika took over the interviews, they were more enlightening and the guests were able to complete a full thought ( without interruption). At that time I realized it was more that this man spewing "I was in Congress, Blah Blah, Blah. This guy is off base on a lot of issues that are VERY offensive! I still try to watch Morning Joe BUT after him taking the time off I realized what the show needed, a person that is not a thrower of RED HERRINGS and has a argument/debate and stays on point and within the context of the issues being discussed.
I watched Race for the White House July 3, 2008 and Joe Scarborough was sitting in, I love the MSNBC family and hope that more is done to serve this growing audience. My BIG Problem is the need to have maniacs like those on FOX-FIX-FAUX whatever the craziness they have over there I do NOT watch I have committed my TV viewing 24 hours a day to MSNBC. I found Sensible conversation at MSNBC politics overall!.
Until, I realized what was wrong with the Morning Joe show, I enjoyed it a great deal better when he was not on the air the show was fresher and the interviews were more than formidable having the guests be allowed to speak.
Now he insults Rachel Maddox ( the person who REALLY needs her own show on MSNBC ) this is too much. On the blogs and in my inner circle of friends everyone I deal with agrees on one thing Rachel is the epitome of just broadcasting! How dare this former self promoting arrogant Joe Scarborough insult Rachel!?? Across the board she is known as a voice that warrants respect that can be listened to with a realm of honesty and fairness bipartisan !!
He needs to be reeled in, how unfair when he could not get his point across he goes to NAME CALLING.
I am HOPEFUL MSNBC wants more than this to be aired, vindictive people make the MSNBC Network look like FOX!!
I hope someone has the courage to speak to Joe Scarborough about this matter, it seems as if he thinks he is running the Network, is he????
Mabel Stowers
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By atowngirlJuly 4, 2008 - 9:14amHeh! Hubby sez that Rachel
Heh! Hubby sez that Rachel being on Tucker Carlson's show made HIM look like the idiot he is (& he lost his show) - & now perhaps the same thing may happen w/ Scarborough.....or Joe S. is worried that's what might happen >= J
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By pinellasJuly 4, 2008 - 9:53amRachel and Race to the White House
Rachel - you are correct and you were not humiliated. I continue to ask MSNBC why they believe it is balanced to have Republicans both as moderators and pundits in discussing Democratic positions and candidates. I know the answer - better drama, more conflict. So you may have been the "only one" who took this position (not clear he never asked Michelle Barnard) but that only means that you are the only one who understands that not everything is black and white - policy often requires shades of grey. I guess Joe does not understand nuance.
Scarborough is a jerk and more and please do not feel bad for standing up for what is right. Obama has NOT changed his position. Remember his words " I plan to be as CAREFUL getting out of Iraq as the current administration was CARELESS getting into Iraq.
As much as I hate listening to Race for the White House please continue to voice your positions and beliefs as you have. We need you.
I have one more request - can you get XM channel 167 to air your entire 3 hours? It makes me angry to pa